My shipment to a refiner

[patnor1011]

@ pcscrapper
I would have little problem to call rejected ram stick without IC chips as high grade board. Mainly on sticks which do (or should) have multiple IC as there is where most of gold is. Inside IC chip.
Board without components, notably IC chips cant be called high grade. Some buyers even devalue your board if IC chips are removed. Most of buyers will devalue your board for sure if s/n BGA chip is removed.

 

[pcscrapper]

why is it not worth it, when I've sorted my boards according.

MOBO p4 small socket,
Mobo large sockets
Dual cpu large socket
dual cpu small socket
cisco switches boards high grade
Cisco Phone systems high grade
and Fingers boards,
and I keep all forgeign boards out of the mix, color one that is.

I did the final weight of all of my boards and came out with 5874lbs total
That is not including CDROM Boards, Harddrives boards, and over 400lbs of cpu's

so what do You suggest.?

 

[rickbb]

I suggest you send a sample batch to several different places. Batches that represent you totals. If you send an identical shipment to 3 or 4 different places and get the same from all, then you have a realistic picture of what they are worth for the future. If one places pays more than another, then you have found a new place to do business.

I have much smaller lots than you, (too small to send directly to a refiner), but that is what I've done. Sent identical lots to 3 different places, I'm now doing business with the place that paid over twice what the other 2 did.

I only worry about 2 things, is this going to be refined responsibly and not off-shored to some 3rd dumping ground. And what is my return. If I get fair return and assurances that it stays in country for refining then they get the business.

 

[Smack]

Just throw everything your not going to process yourself into gaylord boxes meant for the refinery, stop wasting time worrying about separating types of materials, it's going to get shredded down to a powder and all mixed together any ways. Unless of course your going to pay to have ALL those different lots processed separately by the refinery. Next time save up enough material to justify representation. Sipi, 1000 lb. min. lot, $1.00 per pound processing fee with a $750.00 min. charge. If you had 20k pounds the processing fee per pound could be less. They quoted me .80 cents per pound processing fee on 30k pounds four months ago.

 

[pcscrapper]

why throw all your highgrades in with your low grades, I would think that would lower the over all value on everything,

Do You know who refine low brown grades boards, espeically monitors boards, it has lots of copper and some palidium in it, but is it worth it over all.?

and second what about power supplies, who refines that, I've 3000lbs of just in powr supplies, and another 1000 just in power boards,

I've been told not to mix high with low and vice versa and its really hard to decipher everyone opion, and Like to not lose in the long run espeically when I pay to get this stuff in,

Ive over 100lbs in ceramic processors from pent pro to pentium to 386/486 amd the list goes on.

Am really looking for someone that will take the time and understand the reycle business and Help others grow and not make a drastic mistake,

When people come inout our facility, We work with them and teach them the do's and don'ts and would hope someone on this board would offer the same.

any help would be greatly appreicated. Thanks.

 

[eastky]

pcscrapper I am going to give you my opinion. It will only do you good if you step back and think about it. Your blood pressure will probably shoot up and you may throw things. Might even cuss me a little but don't do it here on the forum.

The metal market is very shaky and unpredictable right now. You keep pouring money it to something that you don't have a grasp on and you can and will lose your shirt and everything else real fast. It might take a week a couple months or a year or it could happen over night. If you don't start doing some research and understanding how things work you are going to be caught with your feet in the fire and no water to put it out.

How long have you been doing this? Reading your post it seems like you just got up one morning recently and decided to start a escrap business. Do you have very deep pockets by that I mean can you take a 10 grand hit and stay up right and on your feet or are you going to sink? The people on the forum cant tell you how or what way to handle your business.

How big of a business are you? How many people work for you? Where are you located? What kind of trucks do you have? Do you haul your material or do you ship it out? How big is your building? Are you working out of your 1 or 2 car garage storing stuff in 5 storage buildings out back? Are your pockets deep enough to buy and hold? What do you eat for lunch?
Do you have enough workers to handle the amount of material you buy? Do you have to many workers and not enough material coming in? You see pcscrapper there are a lot of questions that you have to answer yourself.

The escrap business is a shady racket. I mean no disrespect and I am not putting you down but you are the low man on the totem pole. Welcome to the world of the escrap business. You are at the mercy of the people you buy material from. Gold recovery from escrap have people thinking the computer they would have set out on the curb for trash 5 years ago has gold running out of it by the bucket full.

The people you buy material from takes some skin off your behind and when you send your material to the refinery they take you rest of the skin and it hurts to sit down from the stinging. It seems like about every 5 years a new study comes out with the amount of metals recovered from escrap. The numbers keep going down which it should but the refiners know and you don't. That's the catch 21 right there. The actual numbers wont come out. There will always be speculation.
That's what the scrap business is anyways speculation. I do it you do it the people on this forum do it. Speculation isn't a sure thing its guessing and hoping for the best. The saying on the forum is guess low so you wont be disappointed and if your numbers are higher that's extra so be happy. A sure thing isn't a sure thing until the money is in your hand or in the bank. Buy low Sell high Collect early Pay late

In one of your post you said that you sent in green fiber cpus without the heat sink and pins. Are you talking about the pinless cpu? Are you talking about taking the pins off the green cpu? If you are taking the pins off the green cpus from my understanding you wont have any gold left in the fiber the gold is in the pins on those. You aren't one of those shysters on ebay selling gold drops from cpus are you? That's bad mojo.

 

[Smack]

why throw all your highgrades in with your low grades, I would think that would lower the over all value on everything,

any help would be greatly appreicated. Thanks.

You get paid based on an assay of the material you take in, explain how mixing all types of boards together lowers their value. You do know there is x amount of metals in each board and it's physically impossible to alter that fact by mixing them together right. While your sitting on thousands of pounds of power supply boards not knowing what to do with them, I'm getting paid for mine. How many pounds of power supply boards do you have to have before you can justify having them refined separately?

Help? Stop paying for scrap electronics that need to be taken apart.

 

[FrugalRefiner]

why throw all your highgrades in with your low grades, I would think that would lower the over all value on everything,

pcscrapper,

Let me try to explain it another way. If you're selling your scrap to a refinery that samples your lot and pays based on the assay of that sample, there is no need to separate different types of scrap.

Let's say you have 10 rolls of pennies, 10 rolls of nickles, 10 rolls of dimes, and 10 rolls of quarters. Keeping them separate, you know the pennies are only worth $5.00, the nickles worth $20.00, the dimes worth $50.00, and the quarters worth $100.00. All together, they are worth $175.00. It doesn't matter whether you keep them separate or dump them all into a big pile together, they're still worth $175.00. You haven't lowered the value of the quarters by mixing them together with the other "lower grade" coins. If they are all thoroughly mixed together, and then a sample of 1/4 of them are taken, the sample will have approximately $43.75 worth of coins. If we multiply the value of the sample times 4, we still come up with a total value of $175.00. That is the idea behind sampling, and that is how large refineries work.

Now if you're selling your scrap to a company like Boardsort, for example, it makes sense to keep your different types of scrap separate. They don't sample your lot. They pay varying prices for the different varieties based on many, many tons of the material they have processed in the past. So if we continue the example of the coins above, and you keep the coins separate, it's easy for the buyer to look at your lot and quickly determine the value. But if you mix them altogether and take them to someone who only has the time to look at your big mixed lot of coins, they are going to have to estimate the value of your lot. In other words, they have to guess, and when they have to guess, they are likely to guess on the low side to protect themselves. In that case, you will probably get less than $175.00.

It just depends on the type of buyer you're dealing with. If it's someone who thoroughly mixes the lot, takes a representative sample, and pays based on the assay of the sample, there is no need to keep things separate. If it's someone who has to take a quick look at your lot and guess at the overall value, you would probably be better off keeping things separate.

I hope that helps.
Dave

 

[pcscrapper]

its not misc boards, they are seperate boards, Motherboards, Highgrade boards, Modems boards, power boards, server boards, and etc, NO Low grade boards, would like to find a outsource for them so I can refine them as well, any suggestion on other refiner in the midwest that I can goto to refine My product where thier is a Represeentive that will overseas My product Your help is greatly apprecated in advance.

one more thing, Power supplies, I've about 3000lbs of them and would love to get more then just 30 cents a pound. who refine things, that would also be much appreciated in advance thanks.

 

[Anonymous]

Where are you based scrapper?

Jon