Non-Chemical plzzzzzz help me

[goldpete]

tthis picture is after i have evaporated the nitric , i am 100% certain its all gone. then i added 3 times its volume in hot water.

ok , 2 days later now and i see silver residue on the bottom so i fltered again using two coffee filters.
the liquid went clear blue .
now i added half a teaspoon of smb , nothing happened , no reaction . so i added another half ts . still nothing . so i ended up adding 3 teaspoons and it finally reacted. it wasnt a violent reaction but it did start to fizz slightly and went a murky yellow.
ok now its the next day and the solution is a nice clear yellow with creamy yellow sediment.
plz tell me what im dong wrong and where is my gold..

before anyone asks , yes i know there is gold in there . and no i havent tested it with stannous chloride because despite asking on here , i cant work out how to make the liquid with my crystals

 

[ericrm]

how the ... will you know what to do if you dont know where and in what state your gold is...

first find some 50/50 tin lead solder ,or in your case ,i think i understand that you have stannous chloride crystal

with the solder put it in hcl ,boil it a little to make sure that tin got in solution and lead cemented out...
if you realy already have stannous chloride crystal ,simply dissolve them in plain HCl (just like you would do with table salt in water..........)

i am 100% certain its all gone

how do you know you haven't tested it????

yes i know there is gold in there

maybe you had gold maybe you don't now, how do you know... you haven't tested it

what was your starting material?

edit: it is just for the joke of it so dont take it to bad... but if your unable to dissolve salt in water maybe you should think of putting it back in the box and find an other hobby :twisted: :mrgreen:

 

[ericrm]

the liquid went clear blue .

right there i think you have no gold in your solution................

 

[MMFJ]

tthis picture is after i have evaporated the nitric , i am 100% certain its all gone. then i added 3 times its volume in hot water.

ok , 2 days later now and i see silver residue on the bottom so i fltered again using two coffee filters.
the liquid went clear blue .
now i added half a teaspoon of smb , nothing happened , no reaction . so i added another half ts . still nothing . so i ended up adding 3 teaspoons and it finally reacted. it wasnt a violent reaction but it did start to fizz slightly and went a murky yellow.
ok now its the next day and the solution is a nice clear yellow with creamy yellow sediment.
plz tell me what im dong wrong and where is my gold..

before anyone asks , yes i know there is gold in there . and no i havent tested it with stannous chloride because despite asking on here , i cant work out how to make the liquid with my crystals

I'm not a refiner (chemicals and me don't mix - mostly because I have no place to play with them, but that's another story...).

However, I am a good listener and can often find ways for others to help them help themselves. Gotta tell you, in hearing your story, it sounds to me like you are 'demanding' help, yet 'already know' x, y and even z, though you are confused that the facts aren't like the "answers" you already "know".

Whenever something like that happens, that's the time to go back to basics, and ask POLITELY to get some help by
1. Stating what you started with (not knowing that, perhaps you used the wrong method on the item?)
2. Going through a bit slower about the steps you took to get to this point (starting with "tthis picture is after i have evaporated the nitric" leaves the reader to have to presume you hit every step [and all 100% correctly - but could you have made a mistake there?] before that, but, again, read #1...)
3. Not being so "SURE" of yourself and claiming things like "i am 100% certain its all gone", "yes i know there is gold in there" (without stating what you started with, how can the reader be sure how much you are looking for or if it can ever be found?), "before anyone asks" (I'm originally from Oklahoma and I have to say "them's fightin' words!" to be sure! - you won't get a nice reaction [human one, I mean!] starting off like that...)
4. (and, yes, on this forum, it is the BIGGEST of BIGGIE NO-NOs!) - never, ever say "i havent tested it with stannous chloride"! :!:

THE way to get help around here (and I have to say from experience, really, anywhere in the world...) is to be OPEN about what you are trying to do, SINCERE in asking for help (and knowing that those providing it are doing it out of the kindness of their hearts - whether you are paying them or not...) and GRATEFUL for the time and effort they spend on your situation. I've seen it go far around here, and I'll just bet you that you'll get an almost instantaneous reaction [there I go with those refining terms again - must be rubbing off! 8) ] from the experts around here.

Anything else will only get you frustration and anger, because no one can answer your question - (and believe me, they want to!) - if you don't form it in a way they can understand what has been going on.

Give it a try - what's it gonna hurt?

 

[tek4g63]

Ok, I'll try to help you with what I can. Its up to you to do the work though, and report back for further help. I guess what I'm saying is, help us - help you.

This is step one, we can't help help you any further till you do this, take pictures and report back. Its up to you.

* How i, as a hobbyist, make my stannous:
1. Go to your local hardware store, home depot, lowes, or walmart and get a small spool of silver solder. NO FLUX CORE. It shouldn't cost much. Will probably be something like 2% silver, 98% tin.
2. Put some hydrochloric acid in a small jar, 12-30% HCL will work.
3. Place about 20 grams or so of the solder in the HCL. You may have to use more or less solder depending on the volume of HCL in your jar.
4. Add heat to the jar to dissolve the solder quickly, or just let it sit for a few hours.
5. After solder is dissolved, there will be a black powder in the bottom of the jar, that is the silver. You can filter it out.
6. Keep adding solder until no more will dissolve in solution.

And there you have it. A very basic stannous. It works well for me.

If you want the solder to dissolve faster, you can melt it with a torch and let it drip on a stainless steel pan to form flat discs. Then twist these discs a bit before you drop them into your HCL.

Then use this to test for gold, take a picture if the test swab and post it back here. Help should come quickly after that.

I hope that I have helped you, at least a little bit.

 

[maynman1751]

first find some 50/50 tin lead solder

Definitely DO NOT use this! You never want lead in your solution. The solder is usually 95/5...95% tin...5%antimony. Dissolve the way Tek instructed you. It's as easy as falling off a log! I'm quite syre that Ericrm simply made a mistake about the solder.

 

[ericrm]

first find some 50/50 tin lead solder

Definitely DO NOT use this! You never want lead in your solution. The solder is usually 95/5...95% tin...5%antimony. Dissolve the way Tek instructed you. It's as easy as falling off a log! I'm quite syre that Ericrm simply made a mistake about the solder.

it work very fine as long has you let the lead cement out. final

 

[etack]

All things have been disused before very little is ever new; use the search box on Steve's site or Google this is the first topic in Google "stannous chloride crystals" the Wikipedia has it to.

http://goldrefiningforum.com/~goldrefi/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=13744

Eric

 

[tek4g63]

All things have been disused before very little is ever new; use the search box on Steve's site or Google this is the first topic in Google "stannous chloride crystals" the Wikipedia has it to.

http://goldrefiningforum.com/~goldrefi/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=13744

Eric

You are correct Eric. None of this is new, any advice or methods I post I have learned on here. Nearly all my notes are direct quotes from other members on this forum. I wish that I could give them all credit individually, but as a huge oversight on my part I did not put their names in my notes. I have learned everything I know about recovery and refining on this forum. I do not trust any other source, mostly because I don't need to. :mrgreen:

 

[gold4mike]

I keep Stannous Chloride crystals as a backup for when my liquid has gone bad. It only takes 10 minutes or so to rejuvenate it with more tin but sometimes I'm in a hurry and don't want to wait.

Simply put a drop or more of the solution you want to test in a spot plate or white plastic spoon, add a crystal, look at the result.

You don't need to dissolve the crystal in anything. It will work fine on its own.

 

[goldpete]

I keep Stannous Chloride crystals as a backup for when my liquid has gone bad. It only takes 10 minutes or so to rejuvenate it with more tin but sometimes I'm in a hurry and don't want to wait.

Simply put a drop or more of the solution you want to test in a spot plate or white plastic spoon, add a crystal, look at the result.

You don't need to dissolve the crystal in anything. It will work fine on its own.

ok thanks to everyone who has given me advice .
i seem to be having problems xplaining what ive done and as a result im not getting answers . for example , the reason i know for sure that there is gold in the solution is because i saw it when i put it in the aqua regia.
so what im going to do is make a video right from the beginning where i soak the phone and computer curcuit boards in nitric , right up to adding smb.
then hopefully people can tell me where im going wrong.


caneveryone keepan eye out for the video , it should be posted in a couple of days

 

[tek4g63]

That's all well and good and I want to see this video, but are you going to make some testing solution? Videos are nice but they can't replace testing, because if you can test, you won't need to ask for help. Seems to me that making some stannous would be less trouble than making a video and then waiting for someone to tell you what to do next. But maybe I'm not thinking correctly in my sleep deprived state.

Good luck. I hope you get where you are wanting to go.

 

[jeneje]

That's all well and good and I want to see this video, but are you going to make some testing solution? Videos are nice but they can't replace testing, because if you can test, you won't need to ask for help. Seems to me that making some stannous would be less trouble than making a video and then waiting for someone to tell you what to do next. But maybe I'm not thinking correctly in my sleep deprived state.

Good luck. I hope you get where you are wanting to go.

I would like to see the video to. Testing is the key.
Ken

 

[goldpete]

That's all well and good and I want to see this video, but are you going to make some testing solution? Videos are nice but they can't replace testing, because if you can test, you won't need to ask for help. Seems to me that making some stannous would be less trouble than making a video and then waiting for someone to tell you what to do next. But maybe I'm not thinking correctly in my sleep deprived state.

Good luck. I hope you get where you are wanting to go.

I would like to see the video to. Testing is the key.
Ken

lmao . i like your optimism . but honestly making stannous is the hardest thing ive had to deal with so far. i have tried so many ways ,ive lost count .
ive triedeverything people have said except for adding tinbe cause i dont have any . but my supplyer rang me and said its turned up so i will be picking it up tomorrow.
im still puzzledas to why i need tin if stannous chloride is made from tin and hcl , then my stannous crystals should be stannous in crystal form.

but hopefully when i pick up the tin tomorrow and then make it as per hoks book says . it should work.
ive read the book countless times now , and ive listened to everyones advice on here . and to be honest , im beginning to think that this whole idea of getting gold from computer scrap and phones is just a nasty joke and ive fallen for it

 

[jeneje]

That's all well and good and I want to see this video, but are you going to make some testing solution? Videos are nice but they can't replace testing, because if you can test, you won't need to ask for help. Seems to me that making some stannous would be less trouble than making a video and then waiting for someone to tell you what to do next. But maybe I'm not thinking correctly in my sleep deprived state.

Good luck. I hope you get where you are wanting to go.

I would like to see the video to. Testing is the key.
Ken

lmao . i like your optimism . but honestly making stannous is the hardest thing ive had to deal with so far. i have tried so many ways ,ive lost count .
ive triedeverything people have said except for adding tinbe cause i dont have any . but my supplyer rang me and said its turned up so i will be picking it up tomorrow.
im still puzzledas to why i need tin if stannous chloride is made from tin and hcl , then my stannous crystals should be stannous in crystal form.

but hopefully when i pick up the tin tomorrow and then make it as per hoks book says . it should work.
ive read the book countless times now , and ive listened to everyones advice on here . and to be honest , im beginning to think that this whole idea of getting gold from computer scrap and phones is just a nasty joke and ive fallen for it

goldpete, all you have to do for stannous is go to a plumbing supply store, ask for tin solder, dislove 1 pennyweight of the tin solder into one once of HCL and you will have stannous testing solution. I don't understand why it's that hard for you. If gold is all you are wanting to reclaim you would be well served to read the first one hunderd pages of Hokes book until you have a complete understanding of the process. It's all there and then if you run into a prolbem you will understand what the good people here are talking about when they try to help you.
Ken

 

[butcher]

goldpete,

There are hundreds of ways to mess things up, you can spend you time trying all of the different way's there are to lose your gold, and still not learn to recover or refine it, or you can read Hokes as suggested, start out with small getting acquainted experiments, learn to deal with different situations, learn what works and how to tell if it is working, and also how to deal with it when it does not work, in a way your working backwards, trying to learn by trying things before you have an understanding, or the materials or resources to know how to use them like the example of not having made stannous chloride and learning it to identify gold in solution before you tried to recover gold, these experiments should have been performed and understood before you dissolved your gold and tried to refine it.

You need to look at how you wish to learn, by struggling from one problem to the next without knowing what to do next, hoping someone else can tell you what you have in a pot by some colored solution, this will only get you up to your next problem to have to be resolved, and it may never get you any gold, and it definitely will not give you an understanding to be able to work on your own and have an understanding of the processes and reactions to deal with every situation on your own.

Finish up this batch and then stop trying to recover and refine (working backwards), start fresh with Hoke's book and her experiments, work on these experiments in controlled conditions to learn the basics, how to deal with the chemistry involved, and also how to deal with the situations which you will encounter when you do begin to recover or refine, basically get the education of how to fly before you buy an airplane and drive it off of the cliff.

You say the stannous made with tin powder will not work, how do you know it is not working? It could be working and telling you that you do not have gold in solution as you think just because you put gold in acid doe's not mean it is still there, if you had done some controlled experiments with the stannous chloride powder on some known gold solution, and then some controlled experiments with your stannous chloride on some barren solution you would have the knowledge you needed to determine if the present solution had gold or was barren, you would also have the knowledge that your stannous solution would or would not work, you would not be working in the dark as you are now.

Think about it do you really want to blindfold yourself and get in that airplane sitting on the edge of the cliff and turn it on before you learn to fly?

You tried this the wrong way, is it working for you? Think about trying it the right way, follow everyone’s suggestion and get Hoke’s and put that to work for you.


Learn from small experiments and studying reactions, studying Hoke's and information on the forum, start small learn to walk before running, it takes some time (less time than your wasting now), in the long run you will be up and running and not still tripping all over yourself wondering what is going wrong by trying to work in the dark, not even knowing how to walk yet.

I think you’re a smart man and can see what we are trying to tell you is what you need to do, do not let a little gold in this solution keep you so involved in trying to do it backwards that you cannot see the right direction to go, (which is find a good chair and a good book (Hoke’s book) and learn to fly.

 

[Palladium]

I can't count the times i screwed up and wanted to quit. One of them being a couple of days ago. I had several oz tied up in solution and it just wouldn't drop. Test said it was there. No excess nitric being it was the 2nd run and i didn't over shoot the nitric. I even added urea which i try not to use unless i have to. The smb wasn't working and i was scratching my head wondering what gives. I walked away and thought what the heck. I then walked back and stired it and added a couple of drops of hcl and BAM! The gold also washed up to be an almost pink color when i was done with it. That was a first.

If your in the U.S. and will send me your address i will send you some tin solder for free to use.

 

[goldpete]

All things have been disused before very little is ever new; use the search box on Steve's site or Google this is the first topic in Google "stannous chloride crystals" the Wikipedia has it to.

http://goldrefiningforum.com/~goldrefi/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=13744

Eric

i know its been discussed before and asi said , ive tried doing what eeryone has suggested and nothing is working

 

[Harold_V]

i know its been discussed before and asi said , ive tried doing what eeryone has suggested and nothing is working

How do you know? I'm having a little trouble with the notion that you are making stannous chloride by following instructions provided by these guys, and you aren't achieving success. It is my opinion that it your stannous chloride most likely IS working---but you don't have anything of value. It stands to reason that if you did have, you'd enjoy success by at least one of these procedures.

Do you have a gold standard solution? If not, why not? How, otherwise, can you possibly know that your stannous isn't working?

Go back, read Hoke. Read Hoke until you understand what she teaches. It's all in there---and there's no black magic involved. Follow the methods promoted and you will achieve success, guaranteed.

Harold

 

[trashmaster]

Hi pete;

What was your starting material and how did you recover the ( socalled ) gold from it ???

Please explain everything that you did so that members here know what todeal with ..

and how much material did you start with????