Proper way to process

[barrysophie]

Just a quick easy question? I'm pretty sure this all gold plating but the question is can I throw this in a/p solution after I give it a hot sand bath??? Or would it work also if I used a heat gun to depopulate it??

 

[barrysophie]

Sorry don't know how to post more than one pic

 

[barrysophie]

This is a piece I found in some radio equipment the block is heavy and I think I can get the board off but how would I process this one thanks!!!

 

[Anonymous]

You could probably throw that straight in AR

 

[Anonymous]

Just keep adding them one after another in the same post.

I answered your other post but if this is the reverse of the other picture then it couldn't be thrown straight into AR.

 

[g_axelsson]

Merged the three threads into one.

Göran

 

[barrysophie]

Kinda don't want to do ar just because of the chemicals and I have kids and live in town. Would a/p work at any point and if it would which one or both?? And I think I can depopulate it with hot sand or heat gun. Thank you!!

 

[barrysophie]

On the one with the block attached to the board is the block plated?? What do you think??

 

[UncleBenBen]

Careful with heat. Those electrolytic capacitors can explode when heated.

Also, a little background on yourself may help with getting responses. Most will be reluctant to offer advice on chemical processing unless they know your level of experience for obvious safety concerns.

Welcome to the forum. It's the best place in the world to learn to recover and refine metals. Take a look around. Check out Lazersteve's guilded tour, and introduce yourself.

Stay safe!

Ben

 

[barrysophie]

sorry about that. im fairly new to this i know you guys are going to say check out hoke but to me reading about something versus seeing it are 2 different things. i learn alot faster by watching then reading. i know the one guy i cant remember his name has some free videos to watch. i am mostly wondering about the a/p method just because its safer and like i said before i live in the middle of town and have kids so i want to keep it as safe as possible. if you could point me in the right direction on to find the free videos that would be awesome!! thanks guys and sorry for being over ambisious

 

[UncleBenBen]

I'm quite new myself. In fact barely a toddler in the field. But unfortunately, there is just no way around reading. And reading ALOT!

I've been studying religiously for at least six months. Or I thought I was. When I first started lurking on the forum 4 or 5 months ago I saw real quick that what I thought I had learned from utube and the like was best deleted from memory. Even the best of videos leave so much out. What you watch are processes that go right from start to finish. That's not always the case, especially when first starting to learn. Believe me I've lost MUCH more gold than I've got to show for all the effort. But I'm still studying and learning.

Then there is safety. Knowing what to do when things go wrong. That's when, not if also. Knowing what all these chemicals are capable of doing to you and others.

I'm really not trying to put you off at all. And I hope you will take it as the help I'm hoping it is. There really is no way around it, to do what you are wanting to do takes a lot of study and reading to be able to do it successfully and safely.

And yep, Hoke is a great place to start!!

I do wish you the very best of luck!

Ben

 

[Geo]

www.goldrecovery.us

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This is lazersteve's website.

https://www.youtube.com/user/indeedItdoes

www.goldnscrap.com

Samuel a's website.

https://www.youtube.com/user/sreetips

Kadriver's youtube

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCulJxV7L-c3hiBhghfk1MYA

metalicmario aka goldenchild's youtube

 

[kurtak]

Kinda don't want to do ar just because of the chemicals and I have kids and live in town.

If you don't want to do AR because of the chemicals that you don't want around your kids then you can't do AP or much of any of the things that you need to do to do this

It ALL requires the use of acids &/or acids with oxidizers & they all create toxic & corrosive fumes

AR is mostly hydrochloric acid with a little bit of nitric as the oxidizer

AP is mostly hydrochloric acid with a little bit of hydrogen peroxide as the oxidizer

Poor mans AR is mostly hydrochloric acid with chlorine (bleach) as the oxidizer

Copper 2 chloride is mostly hydrochloric acid & is what AP becomes after it starts to load with copper ions

Another name for Hydrochloric acid is muriatic acid - just because you can buy it at the hardware store does not make it safe - it fumes & the fumes are both toxic & corrosive

There is nothing safe about doing this --- unless you make it safe :!:

Edit to add; - watching videos is a good way to learn "how to" do this --- but videos almost never address the issue of safety

You need to start reading & you need to do "a lot" of it - starting with Hokes

Kurt

 

[patnor1011]

How many of them do you have? No point to start AP batch with one or just a few boards. That board may do well on ebay but in a bucket you will not recover much. Even that it looks cool and like a lot, there is not much gold on it.

 

[galenrog]

Sorry to take issue with a bit of what you wrote, but:

Barrysophie said this: "im fairly new to this i know you guys are going to say check out hoke but to me reading about something versus seeing it are 2 different things."

I am going to say "Check out Hoke". C M Hoke's "Refining Precious Metal Wastes" is far more than just a read! This book, published in 1940, contains acquaintance experiments that are just as applicable today as they were when written. You would better understand the processes involved by reading, studying, and performing the experiments contained therein.

Taking the guided tour, as suggested, and studying lazersteve's videos will also help, but nothing compares with doing the processes on a small scale, with book in hand, to understand the process.

Also, please be careful of YouTube. Far too many videos lack information on safety issues. Those unfamiliar with proper safety procedures can easily do damage to themselves and others. Many other videos use poor procedures that can cost you in lost product or additional generation of wastes. If it is not a video suggested on this forum, consider it suspect.

Just my two grams worth. Enjoy.

 

[barrysophie]

thank you guys!! i know you have to be careful no matter what. i have just been watching a lot of videos til i can sit down and read hokes. i found moose scrappers videos and they seem pretty in depth even the safety aspect of it. i will defintely read hokes and go from there at least that will give me time to stockpile some more fingers,pins,and boards.

 

[solar_plasma]

After reading Hoke, Getting pure gold shining, reading several threads about respirators, using stannous test, several threads about broken gold bearing glasses and spilled gold solution and about treatment of filters, THEN try to find five mistakes in each of his videos. If you find them or maybe even more, you have learned your lessons.

Only in combination with good reading also the youtube videos that aren't perfect can have a good learning effect. That's like learning first aid: two people has to show, what they would do and the others standing around and will be asked, what could have been done better :mrgreen:

d they seem pretty in depth even the safety aspect of it

That Youtube video about refining that is in depth hasn't been uploaded yet! I will never understand, why people assume, they can learn from several 5 minute clips (often made by people who have their own "knowledge" from other clips), what others need to write two books about - just to cover a part of the basics.

 

[UncleBenBen]

i will defintely read hokes

That is good to see!! Stick with that attitude and the advice from all the great folks here and you will be at it before you know it!

Just take you're time. It's definitely more a marathon than a sprint! But you will see that soon enough. Do the acquaintance tests in miss Hoke's book as galenrog suggested. It's a great way to gain understanding of the reactions and of how metals behave in solution. And they are a lot of fun!

Congratulations! You've found you're way into one of the greatest hobbies (or should I say addictions?! ha-ha) that I've ever known.

Look into setting up a secure lab with fume hood and scrubber to keep those young ones safe.

Good luck. Keep reading. And stay safe!

Ben