For some reason, refiners have been a closed mouthed group for a very long time. The concept of refiners helping refiners that is exhibited in the spirit of this forum is rather unique.
A degree in chemistry did not teach me refining. It prepared me to learn the science of refining, and as I said it is not something often spoken about. Successful refiners don't want competition. It comes as no surprise that an experienced chemist could miss some of the points we have discussed, refining is a science combined with a hands on experience where an operator learns by seeing, and doing. Not necessarily from reading. In my mind a good experienced refiner is also an artist.
As Goran pointed out, sulfamic acid is available in India and it is worth finding a source. Sulfur dioxide gas would also be good to find. The difference in your end results will make the search and acquisition of both of these chemicals worth the effort.
I have been thinking why Ashapura would have as many 200 liter vessels for holding the solution after precipitation and I believe it is to maintain batch accountability through to waste cementation. The cost of the individual vessels and the support stands and connecting plumbing is considerable. By keeping every lot separate they have the ability to re-check the waste liquors for values. I feel that implementing the methods we already discussed along with assays of outturn, the long term holding of individual waste batches will not be necessary.
I also believe in batch accountability, but after assay of the outturn of fine gold, and the assay of the silver bar for gold, an allowable loss as high as .15% for a small refiner is acceptable and these values are usually recoverable in the residues at a later date. So I believe that after a preliminary short term holding of waste liquors, they can be combined with waste liquors of previous lots all of which have met the accountability standard. (99.85% of assay) Then the wastes can be cemented and harvested in economical sized batches.
One issue in maintaining tight accountability standards is the ability to assay to the required precision with proof corrected fire assays. This is critical, as some alloys have high proof correction factors and if they are not determined and applied properly you may be looking for gold that was never there. We can go over this if you have questions. I like to see labs that I work with participate in the ASTM round robin fire assay program to learn, and monitor, how precise your assayers are. In addition the LMB runs a proactive monitoring program (PAM) for all refiners certified to produce good gold delivery bars. Good analytics is the foundation of good accountability.
I would like to hear the waste treatment process used at Ashapura to figure out how the metals already lost to waste may be recovered. Do you have pictures of your neutralization process and filter press for retaining the solid hydroxides from waste treatment?
A degree in chemistry did not teach me refining. It prepared me to learn the science of refining, and as I said it is not something often spoken about. Successful refiners don't want competition. It comes as no surprise that an experienced chemist could miss some of the points we have discussed, refining is a science combined with a hands on experience where an operator learns by seeing, and doing. Not necessarily from reading. In my mind a good experienced refiner is also an artist.
As Goran pointed out, sulfamic acid is available in India and it is worth finding a source. Sulfur dioxide gas would also be good to find. The difference in your end results will make the search and acquisition of both of these chemicals worth the effort.
I have been thinking why Ashapura would have as many 200 liter vessels for holding the solution after precipitation and I believe it is to maintain batch accountability through to waste cementation. The cost of the individual vessels and the support stands and connecting plumbing is considerable. By keeping every lot separate they have the ability to re-check the waste liquors for values. I feel that implementing the methods we already discussed along with assays of outturn, the long term holding of individual waste batches will not be necessary.
I also believe in batch accountability, but after assay of the outturn of fine gold, and the assay of the silver bar for gold, an allowable loss as high as .15% for a small refiner is acceptable and these values are usually recoverable in the residues at a later date. So I believe that after a preliminary short term holding of waste liquors, they can be combined with waste liquors of previous lots all of which have met the accountability standard. (99.85% of assay) Then the wastes can be cemented and harvested in economical sized batches.
One issue in maintaining tight accountability standards is the ability to assay to the required precision with proof corrected fire assays. This is critical, as some alloys have high proof correction factors and if they are not determined and applied properly you may be looking for gold that was never there. We can go over this if you have questions. I like to see labs that I work with participate in the ASTM round robin fire assay program to learn, and monitor, how precise your assayers are. In addition the LMB runs a proactive monitoring program (PAM) for all refiners certified to produce good gold delivery bars. Good analytics is the foundation of good accountability.
I would like to hear the waste treatment process used at Ashapura to figure out how the metals already lost to waste may be recovered. Do you have pictures of your neutralization process and filter press for retaining the solid hydroxides from waste treatment?