I feel confident, that if you understood what I was trying to express you would not be upset at all. Working for someone, and learning from them, is called being an "APPRENTICE" another method of learning far older than any other. If you want to keep the way you do things, all proprietary, then you can always patent the business model or procedure, so that it cannot be used by anyone else unless you are paid a royalty. I used to make the Nicoderm Patch, and this was the case with that as well. You can hold a patent for 7 years, before it is legal for someone else to use it. When the 7 years was up for the design of the Nicoderm Patch, ALZA, now owned by Johnson & Johnson then applied for a patent to protect their process, and another to protect the proprietary plastics used in making the patch, thus protecting themselves for a longer period of time. However, after their patents are up, anyone can use the same process, legally, without any moral obligations or issues.
Again, you do not understand enough to even know you are wrong in your argument. You don't even know enough to understand that you made a personal attack on myself:
ericrm said:
if i was to speak freely about what i just read ,everything that i would say would be bad, so i will filter what i have to say...
This sounds like you want to say something you consider bad, about my post, or what I have said. You are insinuating you want to insult me, personally
ericrm said:
no dont go spying on other cie ,it is legaly a crime and it make you moraly a peace of ****...
You are suggesting that I was suggesting the original poster do something legally, or morally, wrong. Then you go further to say that people who do that type of thing are morally a piece of ****. Another personal attack.
ericrm said:
you took personnaly an opinion of mine that wasent directed at you personnaly.
ericrm said:
if nobody does it in a 50 mile radius ,go for it that a good idea
SBrown wrote:
What I usually try to d is this, find someone who is doing what you want to do, and there are a lot of small and large places doing what you are talking about, and benchmark against them. Study what they do and how, even down to their prices. If you cannot do things better than they do, then you need to increase what you would pay for the items accordingly, if they are picking up their scrap for free, then you need to offer something more so customers will use you first. Find someone that does what you want to do, and do it better.
if i was to speak freely about what i just read ,everything that i would say would be bad, so i will filter what i have to say...
How else am I to take what you said? You directly quoted, then referenced what I suggested and then went further to say it was illegal and morally wrong, when neither was true.
ericrm said:
i will not change my mind about the fact that going in other cie to work to learn and steal theyr process and knowledge(that they have taken years to discover, made that person a (put insult here).
AGAIN you insinuate that what I suggested was stealing, and illegal, then you suggest that another insult is in order. Again, you are responding to me directly, how am I to take your insult, or your desire to insult?
ericrm said:
i know that it is a commun practice
If you know it's a common practice, then are you also saying that it's common for all these people practicing this are doing so outside the law, and that morally they are what you intended to insinuate you thought of me being?
ericrm said:
it make me mad to think that i will train someone just so he can take advantage of me
Did someone learn from you, and then rip you off? Did you come up with some process that you did not learn here, or from some book, or from someone giving you advice, then have someone steal it from you? What do you call proprietary advice freely given on this forum? Everything you have learned to process precious metals, you have learned from someone else. Are you saying that they should have kept that information to themselves, since it took them years and years and years to figure out the right way to do it? Do you think Hoke should have kept her information to herself?
ericrm said:
it piss me off to see poeple dont even realize that there is a minimum amount of client needed to make a business healty,and when to much poeple get in the same line (rather that find there own new way) each time a price war come in and both loose or barely survive.
It's called a "free market society", when someone does something better than you, and can do it for less, they deserve to be rewarded, and are. People will do business with them, before you, because they are doing business better. Are you trying to suggest that once you have a customer, that for someone else to bid, and beat your services, is someone morally wrong?
If you are basing this off your personal emotions, then you are making an even bigger mistake. Try this, when you calm down, remove your emotions from the discussion, then think about what I have said, logically, and perhaps you will see where you are wrong. And if you cannot see where you are wrong, I really don't see any point in taking this further, in this thread. If you really want to argue your point, and try to convince me that I am somehow wrong, then you can feel free to email me. You can see that I do not get emotional about any of this, and I'm able to express myself without becoming emotionally attached to some illogical idea that has nothing to do with the truth.
