glondor said:All voip calls are recorded and stored. Microsoft had to agree to it when they took over skype.
is just not fair.After that I don't really trust police any more. Serve an protect ? I don't think so .
FrugalRefiner said:goldmike.
Be careful about generalizations. They're usually all bad. Wait a minute. Was that a generalization?
I'm sorry you had a bad experience. But to to say:
is just not fair.After that I don't really trust police any more. Serve an protect ? I don't think so .
It's a "location" thing - it all depends on your point of view. To your neighbor, the officers were serving and protecting them by investigating their complaint. What if you had been cooking up a batch of meth and you screwed up. It could take out your house as well as theirs. I hate meth addicts for the difficulties they've created in obtaining the chemicals we use. But that's not the police' fault, or even your neighbor's, it's the meth heads'.
A drunk driver who gets pulled over and spends the night in jail probably feels the same as you, but the police were trying to serve and protect everyone else on the roads. I know, it's not the same. The drunk was breaking the law and you weren't. But when the police showed up and saw you they couldn't know that yet, and they can't just walk into your yard and say "Excuse me sir. May we ask what you're doing there?" It's a good way for a cop to end up dead.
No, I'm not a cop. But when I was growing up my parents had 2 good friends who were. I learned that Roy and George were just normal people like the rest of us trying to do their jobs and take care of their families. Our daughter is also married to a cop. If he ever found himself in the exact same situation, I'd rather he take the same exact action than to go to his funeral with our daughter and our grandson.
It's a matter of your point of view. Others may disagree.
Dave
Ok Dave You do have a point , but I live in a up scale neighborhood in a nice home an i'm almost 60 years old I was not hiding in a basement . I was in my backyard an there is only a 3 foot chainlink fence . I was wearing a pair of shorts an a Roll tide t-shirt 8) I had done this like 20 times before. An the police had never been to my house for anything. This area is not known for drugs . I think if a police officer is so scared they have to run up on a old guy in shorts an flip-flops yelling an pointing guns ,then are still jerks when they see that that what you are doing is innocent ,there could be a problem . I did leave out a few things like them seeing my closed circuit cameras an asking me for the tape an asking me if they could come into my house ( told them I did not consent to a warrentless search an they asked me if I had something to hide ) Two of the same police officers were arrested for planting evidence possession of drugs and [possession of guns with the serial numbers filed off . Their names are Wesley Little and Ryan Moore. Google it Dave huntsville Alabama I have nothing else to say have a fine day Sir.FrugalRefiner said:goldmike.
Be careful about generalizations. They're usually all bad. Wait a minute. Was that a generalization?
I'm sorry you had a bad experience. But to to say:
is just not fair.After that I don't really trust police any more. Serve an protect ? I don't think so .
It's a "location" thing - it all depends on your point of view. To your neighbor, the officers were serving and protecting them by investigating their complaint. What if you had been cooking up a batch of meth and you screwed up. It could take out your house as well as theirs. I hate meth addicts for the difficulties they've created in obtaining the chemicals we use. But that's not the police' fault, or even your neighbor's, it's the meth heads'.
A drunk driver who gets pulled over and spends the night in jail probably feels the same as you, but the police were trying to serve and protect everyone else on the roads. I know, it's not the same. The drunk was breaking the law and you weren't. But when the police showed up and saw you they couldn't know that yet, and they can't just walk into your yard and say "Excuse me sir. May we ask what you're doing there?" It's a good way for a cop to end up dead.
No, I'm not a cop. But when I was growing up my parents had 2 good friends who were. I learned that Roy and George were just normal people like the rest of us trying to do their jobs and take care of their families. Our daughter is also married to a cop. If he ever found himself in the exact same situation, I'd rather he take the same exact action than to go to his funeral with our daughter and our grandson.
It's a matter of your point of view. Others may disagree.
Dave
ROLL TIDE MY FRIEND !!!!! :mrgreen:Palladium said:Roll Tide !
:mrgreen:
glondor said:http://news.techworld.com/security/3288520/microsoft-could-intercept-and-record-skype-calls-say-privacy-advocates/
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Midmarket/Microsoft-Patent-Will-Allow-Federal-Eavesdropping-on-VOIP-Services-Skype-748556/
http://www.conceivablytech.com/8108/products/microsoft-may-add-eavesdropping-to-skype
The patent clearly addresses the need of governments and law enforcement to record Internet calls. There is also a certain sense that especially closed networks are targeted with this technology, yet the clear notion that VoIP applications targeted by this patent “may include audio messages transmitted via gaming systems, instant messaging protocols that transmit audio, Skype and Skype-like applications, meeting software, video conferencing software, and the like” may raise privacy concerns and surely the question of how Microsoft intends to use such a patent now that it owns Skype.
So, Microsoft: Will Skype officially include eavesdropping capability in the future?
A request for clarification we sent to Microsoft has remained unanswered so far.
Update: There have been some questions what Microsoft may gain from such a technology and why it is doing this on its own, without a government request. Some may remember that the U.S. government has actually asked for such a capability a while ago and is offering a boatload of money for this feature – the Register was talking about “billions.” The cost for Skype may not have been so high after all.
FrugalRefiner said:goldmike,
I appreciate you keeping an open mind and seeing another point of view. I fully agree that there are bad cops and good cops, just like there are good and bad people in the rest of the population.
My point was that to generalize and condemn all police based on your experience is not fair to all the good cops out there, like the one who arrived at the end and got the others to stand down.
its-all-a-lie, I can't imagine why they would treat you that way just because you answered your door with a pistol in your hand. :roll:
Now let's get back to talking about refining.
Dave
FrugalRefiner said:goldmike,
I appreciate you keeping an open mind and seeing another point of view. I fully agree that there are bad cops and good cops, just like there are good and bad people in the rest of the population.
My point was that to generalize and condemn all police based on your experience is not fair to all the good cops out there, like the one who arrived at the end and got the others to stand down.
its-all-a-lie, I can't imagine why they would treat you that way just because you answered your door with a pistol in your hand. :roll:
Now let's get back to talking about refining.
Dave
Amen brother ! I have a security system that has 8 cameras an it's hosted on a computer at my home an a server in Florida . after what I went through with the local authorities I am a bit gun shy an I no longer am at ease with the way things are. The 2 ex police officers that tried to make me give them the tape an give them access to my house are now in prison . i will never really know for sure but in my mind I believe if I would have buckled under an did what they requested I would have been arrested an charged unjustly . I stood up for my self an my rights an said " no you can't have the tapes an no you can not come in my home with out a warrant" They were very angry an I believe if they would not have seen the CCTV cameras they may have done something that would have been very harmful to my self or my family. I may be paranoid but in my life I have seen a lot in my military service an my jobs an travels abroad . I do not think you were out of line for answering your door with a fire arm at 6am . My security system is two dogs ( they are trained an take commands in Latin yes i'm college educated an my youngest son is a Latin scholar ) My CCTV is motion sensor activated an my dogs are trained to bite intruders in a very venerable area ( use your imagination :lol: ) semper fi .... Stand up an represent !its-all-a-lie said:FrugalRefiner said:goldmike,
I appreciate you keeping an open mind and seeing another point of view. I fully agree that there are bad cops and good cops, just like there are good and bad people in the rest of the population.
My point was that to generalize and condemn all police based on your experience is not fair to all the good cops out there, like the one who arrived at the end and got the others to stand down.
its-all-a-lie, I can't imagine why they would treat you that way just because you answered your door with a pistol in your hand. :roll:
Now let's get back to talking about refining.
Dave
Maybe you have guests show up uninvited and unannounced at 6am, i do not. Im sorry i do not have the funds readily available to live in a gated community where everything is rainbows and unicorns or to have my own personal armed guards, but what i do have is the mentality and the ability to protect myself. Maybe one day us poor people can enjoy the luxury of going to sleep at night and not have to worry about anything because we know the police care about us. Until then, i will provide my own security for my family instead of relying on the police.
I'm sorry if my post offended you. That is not why I come here.My point was that to generalize and condemn all police based on your experience is not fair to all the good cops out there, like the one who arrived at the end and got the others to stand down.
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