samuel-a said:
Again, my point is misunderstood, maybe it's my bad ability to pronounce myself in english.
Don't think so. You clearly stated "To be honest, i find it very demeaning that you and Harold chose to repeat the same data which was already been given"
How am I, or anyone, expected to interpret your words? You made it perfectly clear that you were offended because two of us repeated something you stated. We were called out BECAUSE the words were repeated, yet you still don't see that you had encouraged a reader to pursue something that isn't beneficial, and did not answer the question---chiefly that metals do not (normally) stratify.
Did i ever said no one can answer beside me? NO, but i do wonder how come the same info and reservations written in the first and second posts were practically dismissed...
Please point out to me where you were dismissed by any of my comments in the post in question. I may be an insensitive clod, but I clearly do not see a sign that I did so. I do see, clearly, that I bolstered what you had said by repeating what you had said. I'm at a loss to understand how that diminishes your comment(s).
Though i find repetition pointless
Can I interpret that as you saying that nothing is worth repeating? Do you not understand that some of us (myself in particular) often must read a subject many times before the true meaning sinks in? You may be gifted with the ability to grasp things with one iteration---but not everyone does. Repetition is key to learning in such a case. I offer you as a prime example, Hoke's book. She repeats the same information time and again, which I found to be very helpful in my learning.
You know, kinda ironic you brought up this discussion toady of all days. Today we state the national Holocaust Remembrance Day, many millions were wiped out the face of the earth basically because they couldn't defend themselves and speak up, that's including my grandmother and grandfather's entire families.
Know that I am sympathetic. The atrocities committed are despicable and never should have happened. Know, also, that I am not anti-Semitic
*. I have great admiration for the Jewish people and respect their contributions to civilized society. However, please don't make this an ethnic issue, for that is not the case.
Beleive you me, i know what freedom of speach is about. I strongly believe anyone should say what's on their mind on any subject be it politics and all the way to technical data, but there's a way to say things without humiliating the other side, even bad things... There's always a way.
I will however offer sincere my apology if it might seem that i wanted to shut you up (or others). That was not my point!
Well, to be quite frank, I don't understand your point. You have complained that your post was ignored (how could it be when it was repeated by others), and then you accuse them of doing something that was not done. I sense your sensitivity here is in not being quoted when comments were repeated, that you were, somehow, slighted. That was not my intention, but right now I feel I should have taken you to task for not providing the one thing that was badly needed---the comment that gold doesn't stratify--that there was a clear misunderstanding, or a misinterpretation of the signs that were being evaluated. Instead, you offered encouragement to continue the course, that it was, somehow, a great learning experience. What you failed to mention is that the learning experience would have proven to be very negative--that gold that is so finely divided (1% content) is a curse to process. Anyone with experience in processing low grade wastes understands that it's a good idea to not break up the gold to fine particles, which are not easily separated from the solution. That's precisely the case when melting pins, and there's no benefit in melting them even if that wasn't the case. People come to this forum to learn----they should be encouraged to learn what works, with descriptions of what's wrong with things that don't work.
I also tend to discourage the notion that these guys should experiment. Why should they? What do you expect they will learn? Do you really think that a guy that has no clue is going to revolutionize the refining process? If nothing else, each reader should be encouraged to stick to methods that are known to work, methods that have predictable results, so they become familiar with processing. Then, when they have an understanding of what to expect, they may benefit by experimenting---but without a basic knowledge, they aren't qualified to know when they have improved a process, or not. What generally happens is they turn to the forum for guidance after their attempts fail. They have now learned what NOT to do, but they still don't know WHAT to do. I don't see that as a positive attribute.
Harold_V said:
We shall see, won't we? If you fire another shot, I expect that's not going to be the case.
Samuel said:
By threatening me not to answer, you are basically shutting me up, not the other way around...
Perhaps the concept of discussing without making accusations is a stranger to you. You fired a shot with your first post, one that was not appreciated. If you can't discuss issues without making accusations, you can expect that I am not going to be kind. You made it perfectly clear that you were offended---by something that was not, and is not, an offensive matter. For that matter, I didn't even address you, so how can you make this a personal affront? I don't recall mentioning your name, yet you felt free to call me out. You did so because I posted. Ergo, I must conclude that I shouldn't have done so (by your measure).
Understand that I have a very low threshold for such behavior. You came across as being wronged, that you had already spoken and others had no right to repeat anything you had said. That is how I interpreted what you said, above. (To be honest, i find it very demeaning that you and Harold chose to repeat the same data which was already been given)
Harold_V said:
A parting shot. I have taken note that on at least one other occasion, you have posted in such a way that I could easily conclude that you are attempting to undermine the purpose of this forum. I expect you'll understand that I take exception to that assumption, assuming it's true.
Samuel said:
Not true. I don't know how you got to this conclusion. I think my ongoing participation in this forum for the last 2 1/2 years proves otherwise.
Perhaps you would like to share with me privetly what posts i made before which lead you to think this way about me.
A PM will follow.
Samuel said:
To conclude and further sharpen my point i'll say this:
I have absolutely no problem with the concept of forums and mind sharing and never had before.
Sometimes regular words and sentences can offend others just as cursing does and maybe even more. You can damn well count on it that i will speak my mind in such cases, no matter who said those things, mod or not. Had you decide to ban me because i spoke my mind, so be it.
Lets get one thing straight. None of the readers are free to speak their minds here, although that demands an explanation. You are free to voice your opinion so long as it does not cross the line, where it becomes a personal attack. Feel free to air your views, but do so without accusations. Understand that you are not free to scream FIRE when there isn't one. Understand that you are not free to use profanity (you are not being accused). Understand that you are not free to discuss politics (you are not being accused). Understand that you are not free to discuss religion (you are not being accused). In other words, there are limitations to what you are free to post--and there are those who look after this forum that have the power to silence you when you are out of line. Were that not the case, this forum would have, long ago, succumbed to the wise guys that live to be disruptive (you are not being accused). So then, you should have a clear understanding that you can expect others to parrot something you've said--and that it does not mean that you are being slighted. You can expect that others may take exception to something you've said--and they may wish to ask for clarification. You may find that some folks simply won't agree with something you said (I don't agree with your admonishment for the newbie to experiment--he has more than enough on his plate in trying to learn what works, without clouding his/her thoughts with things that don't). I have a saying that I love to pass around--don't re-invent the wheel--it's sufficiently round as is. Bottom line with experimentation is ---one should be able to walk before attempting to run. I don't find that unreasonable.
Harold
Edit: * I want to make it perfectly clear that I was never accused of being anti-Semitic. I made mention to bolster the fact that I am not bigoted (at least in that regard!)
