telecom, UPS, IBM scrap

[Anonymous]

Well I'm about to order my first gold refining kit guys! My family is in the cable tv and junk business, over the years we have ammassed hundreds of cable tv amplifiers, satalite recievers, descramblers, modulators, and even have an old Nortel Meridian SL-1 with about 12 inserts, a couple 18kw or larger UPS units (automatic lots of circuit boards), and I have several old IBM motherboards, the type that have like 8 finger slots per board... early eighties GOLD there.

Now I'm very confident I can handle the chemical process, after all I have been a blaster underground for about 3 yrs now, I think if I'm smart enough to do that I can handle this stuff, it comes with very plain instructions so please don't try to persuade me to not bother with it! The only crucial information I have failed to locate is how I am going to estimate the amount of gold on the electronics? My first batch is going to be fingers, I have about 10 pounds of them ready.

I would very much like to know if anyone could tell me how to estimate my gold weight so I get the amount of solution correct. Also is too much solution better than not enough? I would assume so right?

Also do you think the telecommunications equipment will be worth picking apart and smashing up all the components searching for gold? I know the satallite equipment will probably have a decent yield, but the RF amplifiers I'm not sure of.. so far all I have found are some pins on the models that have plugin units like Phillips Magnavox, General Instrument, and SA.. the cheaper units don't even have gold on the pins though I haven't started cracking open components yet.

As a whole I can get .20 cents a pound scrapping them whole, half of the weight is aluminum I'm wondering if I would be better off just selling it that way. However if there is more money to be made.. in this economy I'm desperate. I had dreamed of starting a new cable company with all this stuff but being its 1980's 450 mghz tops stuff and being that they don't even use C band transmissions anymore, I'm stuck with the junk may as well make every penny I can.

I want to thank you guys before hand, I've already learned much reading through here. I hope I can turn this into a business and start buying scrap electronics like I do copper and other metals.

Thanks!

 

[Barren Realms 007]

Welcome to the forum.

What kind of kit are you going to order. Not from Shore I hope!!!! :x

I have torn apart a few boxes like this, found some hard drives, some plated pins, flat packs and other items. It varies what they will have in them as you well know. If you have read enough you will know that no one will be able to give you a definet yield on these items. You are just going to have to process some of them and make the decision for your self if it is worth it. Hopefuly the fingers will give you a desent yield. I would use HCL/Peroxide on the fingers, juse be careful how much peroxide you use because you can disolve your gold using too much.

I would be interested in what you find because I have a friend that knows a lady with a building full of thses things but I think she has grander ideas on what the stuff is worth. I told him to offer her a couple of dollars a piece for them and I think she laughed at him.

Under ground blaster, that is interesting. The master blaster from thunder dome. 8)

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah I found a post that basically told me it varies huge, but they mentioned 1 gram per pound as a guideline. However having cut the fingers off the boards wouldn't the yield be a little greater than that?

 

[Barren Realms 007]

Unfortunately not necessarily. That yield would be with the fingers off the board, if the weight of the board were included the return would be much much lower.

 

[Oz]

You have asked us not to try to dissuade you from buying your kit, fair enough, you have made a decision. However when it comes to helping you if you run into a problem, we will all be unable to help until we know what you have bought and are trying to use.

 

[nickvc]

Im with you on that Oz........ lets hope it isnt a high price set up

 

[Harold_V]

it comes with very plain instructions so please don't try to persuade me to not bother with it!

Sure enough. And, please, don't come whining and crying to this group when you find you've been taken to the cleaners. If you don't have the wisdom it takes to accept advice based on practical experience, I see no reason why any of us should waste our time bailing you out when everything goes south on the promises you've been made. Besides, your three years of underground blasting should lead the way. I understand they are closely related, so you'd have little need to hear from those of us that live in the real world.

Oh, yeah! Good luck!

Harold

 

[silversaddle1]

Once again, Harold is spot on!

"nuff said!

 

[Anonymous]

it comes with very plain instructions so please don't try to persuade me to not bother with it!

Sure enough. And, please, don't come whining and crying to this group when you find you've been taken to the cleaners. If you don't have the wisdom it takes to accept advice based on practical experience, I see no reason why any of us should waste our time bailing you out when everything goes south on the promises you've been made. Besides, your three years of underground blasting should lead the way. I understand they are closely related, so you'd have little need to hear from those of us that live in the real world.

Oh, yeah! Good luck!

Harold

Wow someone hasn't had their coffee this morning! Was I really that hateful in my request? I am coming from another forum where nobody would tell you anything and acted like the process was over my head or something, sometimes people do not want you to know how to refine your scrap because it takes money out of their pocket in a round about way. I'm just trying to head off any of that type of response, not the type to which you seem to point towards here in your example.

I am using nitric acid and muriatic acid, urea, ...some other compound I forgot the name of in powder form. I've got my instructions from that one site that pops up top three in google, however the chemicals I found cheaper from a real chemical supplier (don't know about advertising here), by no means am I refusing any advice on methodology or alternate chemicals, I'm just refusing anyone that would tell me I can't do it or shouldn't as their response to my inquiry.

I apologize if you took that as refusing your expertise, I can see how that might be offensive. But why would I do that and ask for help? No I just don't want to hear somebody try to tell me they think I can't refine my own gold cause I know people do it all the time, and I'm no average joe either I've not set my house on fire once! lol you get what I'm saying right?

 

[patnor1011]

If you spend some time here and read throught posts here you will find that we are happy to help and nobody is hiding any info from anyone. Informations here are shared and help from experienced people is granted to anyone willing to learn and listen. However if you have another source of informations and special kits, powders and juices to use, do so freely but in case of some problem you will have to contact them as we are not wizards or fortune tellers as we dont know what they are using as their reagents and so on. What is strange I dont understand why people using and buying "special kits" when you can just pop up to any hardware shop to get basic chemicals for next to nothing. If you want to start with fingers all you need is HCl, H2O2, Clorox and SMB. You are buying special kit where HCl is called "Liquid one", H2O2 is called "Liquid two", Clorox is called "Liquid three" and SMB "Magic Bullet" or "Philosopher's stone powder"....

Invest some of your time reading throught this forum and if you are good learner you will have no need to ask questions about how to process fingers or what the estimated gold yield is as all this was discused over and over many times.

Btw - you became member 24 minutes before you fired your first post and 7 hours after that you are taking piss from one of the founders of this forum and person who spend more years refining gold than your age is... No offence but if you want to get something you have to invest first. I mean that you have to invest time into education. If you are so confident in your "special kit and methods" why wasting your time on this forum? Your original source of informations must be much better - you are paying for it....

 

[leavemealone]

dhcracker wrote:
it comes with very plain instructions so please don't try to persuade me to not bother with it!

Harold wrote:
Sure enough. And, please, don't come whining and crying to this group when you find you've been taken to the cleaners. If you don't have the wisdom it takes to accept advice based on practical experience, I see no reason why any of us should waste our time bailing you out when everything goes south on the promises you've been made. Besides, your three years of underground blasting should lead the way. I understand they are closely related, so you'd have little need to hear from those of us that live in the real world.

Wow someone hasn't had their coffee this morning! Was I really that hateful in my request? I am coming from another forum where nobody would tell you anything and acted like the process was over my head or something, sometimes people do not want you to know how to refine your scrap because it takes money out of their pocket in a round about way. I'm just trying to head off any of that type of response, not the type to which you seem to point towards here in your example.

I very seldom make promises unless I know that what I speak of is a fact.Well I make this promise to you dhcracker,Harold can be rough around the edges sometimes,but making fun of him is not something anyone on this forum will put up with.I am not trying to me rude here,I am trying to warn you.

I apologize if you took that as refusing your expertise, I can see how that might be offensive. But why would I do that and ask for help? No I just don't want to hear somebody try to tell me they think I can't refine my own gold cause I know people do it all the time, and I'm no average joe either I've not set my house on fire once! lol you get what I'm saying right?

Your first sentence contradicts what you were wanting.You wanted our advice and help......as long as our advice was not for you to not purchase that kit.That is why harold is upset!It is personally frusterating on my end too considering I recently spent countless days trying to help a member that purchased one of "those" kits and soon found himself with product that didnt work as stated,and NOONE on the other end willing to help him.I am not telling you this to make excuses for what harold said.I agree with him,its not fair that you ask us to help you,but only if it falls under your guidelines.Since your kit came with plain instructions,I wish you the best of luck in the future,as I feel you will not be getting much help here.
Johnny
P.S.Good morning patnor.its getting warmer..... 8)

 

[patnor1011]

Yeah Johnny, after few days of rain and darkness we had some sunshine last 3-4 hours but weather is changing very quick over here and it looks like more rain is comming. Btw are you comming to Ireland this summer? Last time you said something like that so thats why I am asking.

 

[leavemealone]

Yeh mary and the kids want to come over.I'll have to see what it will cost.Are you able to meet us at the aiport if we get there?I will need a tour guide!!! lol(I'll make sure and bring some scrap as payment...... :mrgreen:

 

[shyknee]

dhcracker
the advise the members of this forum is giving freely is all good. no one here wants you not to try it .they just want you to be smart about it.
read the forum then read some more until understand that everyone that posted on your thread is only trying to help you.
if you do not be leave this then you need to read more and more untill you understand they only want to help .
So good reading hope you have fun ask questions we will help if you listen. be safe.be kind.be smart.

 

[patnor1011]

It depens what airport. I am living about 20km from Shannon airport and have no problem to be there. I can go to Cork airport too as it is about 100km but Dublin is too far for me. We can do something with your stay in here too - if you will be happy wit one not very big bedroom and one small room. :mrgreen:
I think that we will move to next level in this discussion - the PM level hehehe...

 

[qst42know]

If you believe

very plain instructions

are a viable substitute for hundreds of years of combined practical experience, by all means buy your over priced kit. :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

OHHH I see now!

Let me clear this up, I was in no way shape or form saying help me but don't tell me not to buy this kit. I was trying to say help me but please don't discourage me from trying. I apologize I have no allegiance to any one kit or method, I have only ordered about 40 bucks worth of stuff so its not like I don't want to hear I threw away money I'm sure even if I don't use the process I've researched.. and yes it is the process mentioned earlier from shor .

I was not aware of any other process, and I'm sorry I offended anyone that was definately not my intention. Nor am I making fun of anybody, I humbly apologize. Here I am a rookie and an idiot and I will not pretend to be otherwise, I will always respect you guys as mentors, and you are correct had I read more than 7 minutes I wouldn't have been worried about being discouraged from refining my own gold scrap.

So my fault for rushing, I hope you guys can accept my humble apology. I surely did not want to come off as smarty pants and i apparently did. Maybe my ex wife is right about me lol.

 

[patnor1011]

You are ok. Anybody can make mistake and true man is who can admit that. Nobody think that you are idiot, lots of us /and I did that too/ jump high when gold dlitters and want answers quick but patience is what we need. I am currently filtering pins third time becouse I was too quick two times and overdid filter.... :mrgreen:

 

[Palladium]

Yep, i like the guy.

Fingers are easy and a good place to start your learning adventure. Look in my sig line below and start reading all you can find. If you have a question ask it. There are no stupid questions, only stupid excuses for not asking a stupid question in the first place.

Welcome to the forum.

 

[Palladium]

Oh yeah, go to Lazersteve's website http://www.goldrecovery.us/ and watch his video's on finger processing.