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Looking at the prices they are bidding on e-scrap this morning again I can't stop wondering who (...forbidden words thinking...) is paying 150% of spot of the contained metals? And as far as I estimate most lots are going over 100%... :evil:

Maybe one should take one kg iron oxide and sand, blend it with 1 g goldpowder, call it concentrate an sell it - he will surely get more for it, than for the refined gold. *cynicism*
 
solar_plasma said:
Looking at the prices they are bidding on e-scrap this morning again I can't stop wondering who (...forbidden words thinking...) is paying 150% of spot of the contained metals? And as far as I estimate most lots are going over 100%... :evil:

Maybe one should take one kg iron oxide and sand, blend it with 1 g goldpowder, call it concentrate an sell it - he will surely get more for it, than for the refined gold. *cynicism*


Sometimes the only way to win is to know when not to play the game.
 
Some folk seem to have an unreasoned hatred of what these guys do on eBay.

I don't get this and please let me explain why.

The main reason is that it's a free market. People are free to list anything they like as long as it's not misleading. People are also free to pay what they like. Nobody has the right to tell someone scornfully that they have paid too much because they pay what they think it's worth based upon the information presented and their "experience."

Now if someone says "you will get xxx yeild" from this then that's a different ballgame completely but let's face it our politicians in our respective countries have been "eBay auctioning" to us for decades and the majority of us lap it up regardless of the factual basis of the information.

Let the fools who buy this stuff keep buying it. I'm more likely to get my nose bent out of shape because I have countrymen dying in pointless oil fueled wars designed to distract the population from the real issues at home than someone paying a few too many bucks for something on eBay. You're as likely to stop politicians leading you by the nose into another invasion as you are to stop people making a quick buck. But that's the beauty of the situation isn't it- financial loss has been "spun" so hard that it's placed above peoples' sons, fathers, brothers, daughters, sisters and mothers lives. Politicians are poison.

Happy New Year, that's my thought for the day.

Jon
 
I never did like seeing a shady used car sales men take advantage of a woman because she had no mechanical knowledge, you can polish a lemon and make it look good.

I see this several ways.

Some people do not know what they are buying , but think because others will pay that much it has to be worth that much, like a pack of wolves getting each other excited over a worthless bone.

Also some may figure they will buy this stuff and resale it later at a higher price, or buy it as some other investment.

But most of the time all of these poor fools are losing money they could invest elsewhere and better feed their family.

I see nothing wrong with making some profit, but to sell something for much more than you know it is worth, taking money from some poor man who may not know what he is buying or the value of it (taking his money that he will need to feed his child) and justifying it as simply making a profit then as far as I am concerned that is wrong, If I wanted to sell the lemon I would let the buyer know what it truly was worth, and sell it to him for a fair price, that way if he still wanted it the deal would be good for both of us.

Many people are taking advantage of other people not being educated in what they are buying, doing this willingly is dishonesty.

but if you told the person this gold is worth ten dollars and they wished to bid it up and pay you twenty dollars that would not be dishonest.

Many sellers on Ebay are dishonest (they may not be as dishonest as some are, but they are still being dishonest), they may give honest description of the product, and hope some stupid sucker comes along and thinks it is worth more than it is, will they care if this man spends his only bread money to pay twice what something is worth, will they tell him he is being cheated by the price? or will they just grin with their hand out to get that poor mans money.

Then there are those that will purposely cheat people, melting copper pins and letting them sit in a gold chloride solution plating gold to the outside, polishing them up to look like valuable bars of gold, yes they say they are honest, they give a good fair description of their product, is it their fault all of those suckers out there are not educated about melted gold pins?
what difference is that than the south African selling gold ore on the forum, his dirt may contain gold, is it his business to educate us on African gold ore?

These are not as bad as the man polishing brass and selling it as gold but yet I still do not see it as right.

I agree with fair market and getting a fair price, but I also believe Honesty is being fair with people, doing to them as you would have them do to you,

Would you want that buyer of your scrap on ebay to sell your wife his lemon?
 
solar_plasma said:
Maybe one should take one kg iron oxide and sand, blend it with 1 g goldpowder, call it concentrate an sell it - he will surely get more for it, than for the refined gold. *cynicism*

Might just be a good idea. 1 gram sounds pretty expensive. How about this idea? Note: This is NOT a real ad but it could be. Use it if you want. Cheap enough to be affordable and a known minimum amount of gold. I'll bet it would sell and without deceptive advertising.

concentrates ad.jpg
 
yeah, they could spread it in their garden and feel like 49'ers :lol:

you could write, that one of a hundred portions contain 5g, - I guess then all portions would sell as "5g"
 
solar_plasma said:
yeah, they could spread it in their garden and feel like 49'ers :lol:

you could write, that one of a hundred portions contain 5g, - I guess then all portions would sell as "5g"

I don't understand what you are saying. My thought with the fake ad was to honestly state how much gold they are getting. Not trying to trick the buyer. You would still be making around twice the actual worth of the gold and the buyer would get the fun of "finding" it. I suppose you could state something like 1 in every hundred bags contain double the gold or something to increase interest but why bother. I guess I'd never make it as an Ebay seller. I always liked the buy-it-now sales better than the bidding wars but an auction listing might bring much more profit. You can probably rip someone off once but if you gave a fair deal you might get repeat customers.

This was just a thought anyway. I don't actually plan to do it but I still think it would sell even if it isn't actual placer gold but still real gold. Just sounded like a way to get more money for your gold than selling it slightly under spot. It would take a little more time to make up the dust, flakes, and pickers and then a little more time to gather up some sand and rocks to mix with it but not that much considering you would be making close to $10 profit (counting Ebay and PayPal's fees) from each sale. Of course some people consider their time more valuable than others. It wouldn't be a get rich quick scheme but could add up if it sold.
 
uhmmm...I was only joking all the time and I understood your flyer as a joke, too. Though there would be nothing wrong in selling "concentrate" with a defined amount of gold plus a bonus in every 7th egg, I leave it to others to strip off the money from people. So, everything is good, not meant anything dishonest and no offense taken. :lol: 8)

This idea was only a sarcasm according some ebayers.
 
Registered to this forum because of this thread. This had my stepson and I laughing to tears. Was fixing TVs today and said I better grab the ribbon cables for scrap metal recovery as a joke. Hard drive platters for platinum recovery? You could do many times better looking for material locally!

Only thing I disagree with is the gold drops. These make great paperweights! Pay under the 1 percent gold they have, choose the most gold colored ones. Great to put on your desk!

Wish I had found this forum sooner used to see all sorts of these.
 
"Many people are taking advantage of other people not being educated in what they are buying, doing this willingly is dishonesty."

Disagree. Every good education cost money. You can tell someone something 100 times, but until they do it themselves and loose money will they understand.
 
silversaddle1 said:
"Many people are taking advantage of other people not being educated in what they are buying, doing this willingly is dishonesty."

Disagree. Every good education cost money. You can tell someone something 100 times, but until they do it themselves and loose money will they understand.
I agree with silversaddle1. It is up to the buyer to become educated before he buys. If he doesn't, that's just tough. As long as the seller doesn't misrepresent the material, and intentionally calls it something that it isn't, all is fair in my eyes. It's not up to the seller to educate the buyer.
 
I just had to look up scrap gold drops on Ebay since I once made one of those and sent it to a mail-order gold buyer along with a note of what it was in their pre-paid envelope. They sent it back to me saying they don't buy that sort of gold. Now I see that I could have sold it on E-bay.

I did find one real good listing for a gold drop.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gold-Drop-BAR-Scrap-Pins-Recovery-Cpu-Beware-Dont-Be-a-SUCKER-/171232144421

I wonder if it was someone from this forum? NOT ME by the way so I'm not self-promoting this.

The description was real hard to read (at least on my computer) so I copied it to paste on this thread in case anyone wants to buy it. I don't see how you could go wrong with this one.

This listing is for 2.2 grams of second precipitation from an Aqua Regia drop.Resulting in this Glob of what appears to be mostly Copper,with some visible Gold.What I am trying to do here is bring your attention to the Obvious Scam of Gold Drop Bar Pin Auctions!They are a SCAM and I am trying to Help you by saying without testing this,I am CERTAIN there is more gold in this sample than there is in a bunch of those Bars that Scam Artist's  are trying to Sucker You With! Yes,If you bid on ANY of those Gold Drops you are getting Scammed! Those Pretty Bars that you are Bidding On are Scams!They are at Best Gold Plated!You wont recover anything.I promise you! Those people from Foreign Countries Especially are Knowingly GUILTY.I am also sure that they will try to get this listing pulled.Think about it ? why would you go through the trouble of melting Good Pins into a glob or Mold and then have to go through Quartating (Parting) the gold back out? You wouldn"t! you would merely Run the pins as they are.Right. Of course I am right."  Go ahead and ask them why they wont sell just the pins? You will be lucky to get an Honest Answer.(Or an answer at all)I really am not interested in selling this blob,because it likely is not worth alot.I am trying to keep you from spending your Hard Earned Money on CRAP!And Believe me It is also likely that some will bid on this ,Just to give me negative Feedback.Why? because they are selling them themselves,or they have been Burned and are still angry about the whole Experience!And to further my assertion,I will let you return this,No Questions Asked.(Lets see them make this offer)!All I ask is that you return the glob in its original shape and weight.Please dont be a sucker.remember ; All that Glitters is not Gold!

Less than a day left of this auction so HURRY UP if your interested.
 
Based on some of his other items that I am more knowledgeable in, this guy does not seem to be starting his wares at unreasonable prices. He seems to be using a good description of those other items as well. Only problem is the items are not what he states, but have been used in a way they were not meant for. Still the pricing is not bad, it is even good for someone that knows what they really are.
 
I don't think the cartridge even has any real gold on it, it's just gold colored coating of some sort on plastic I believe? I saw one of these on the Pawn Stars tv show awhile back. The big draw is for collectors since very few of these gold cartridges were made, and were specifically for use at Nintendo's world championship competition. Seems to me the value I heard then was around $20,000 or so, but 71 bidders have actually bid this one up past $100,000? Hard to imagine!
 
Here's a lesson about gold filled. Just because it's marked a karat purity doesn't mean it's really that. Hallmarks are lies !!!!!! Their is a big market for counterfeit items. Remember all the fake silver dollars they use to have on ebay for like 25 cents apiece but looked silver that ebay made them stop selling.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKcoBqoWfs0[/youtube]


same thing with gold filled. I've had several customers buy brand new lots of these supposed gold filled Navy pins. Then when i run the lots the numbers don't match up. I mean it's all new without wear so the numbers should be right, right! They are off by about 25%. In India and china they don't have the laws like we do here so they make under karated gold items and sell them overseas to unsuspecting buyers. It's a big scam that makes them millions just on the stealing of the gold alone. If you search the internet their are companies in china that actually advertise what the hell they are doing believe it or not and i can actually place orders to have them made that way. These items will eventually make their way into the market place and affect the supply for years to come. I haven't seen any on ebay yet and these lots found their way to me thru the private market place, but if the law of averages hold true they will start showing up on ebay so beware!
 
Hello,

I am new to the forum and am learning as much as I can about the trade. I have been reading Hoke and also doing auxiliary research using Google. I want to get my hands on something for the educational value and gain some experience and was wondering if these made any sense: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-Of-100-...g=20140107083349&rk=3&rkt=10&sd=151221417643.

I thought I read somewhere that these processors will yield 1.5 grams per 20 processors, if done correctly of course. I think I am wrong because most everything on Ebay is sold for far more than it is worth but I thought I would ask. I know I am supposed to read read read but I haven't come across an answer to this yet. Please don't wig out and ban me for asking a question when the answer was somewhere else in the depths of this forum please. If anything please direct me to that discussion.

Thank you.
 
1.5 grams per 20 processors is way off.
They are worth about 25¢ each.
Study the forum for a while, that would be your best investment.

Jim
 

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