If your not willing to lose time and money then chances are gold refining is not for you.
Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!
Those are nearly worthless unless you have a ton of them, and by ton i mean 2,000 lbs!
Thanks
This forum helps us to be more efficient, for example do not loose time and money trying to get gold from worthless materials,I will try to be the windshield when possible, also knowing that loosing will always be part of the equation.