haveagojoe
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I use Copper Chloride etching on a wide range of source material, including plated connectors, pins (incuding magnetic ones) and all kinds of other plated or flashed escrap. This means my collected foils are often quite heavily contaminated with other metals.
Also I tend to aggitate my etches quite aggressively by shaking, so my foils are often broken down into finely divided black powder. Black powder also forms when gold is dissolved and cemented back out, for example when hydrogen peroxide is added (though I don't do this any more).
Tin oxide is a particularly annoying contaminant to find among my foils- a white precipitant which looks similar to Copper (I) Chloride but will not redissolve with the addition of fresh HCl. It's difficut to separate from the foils, and furthermore it can hydrolyze to form the dreaded metastannic acid, which in water is a jelly-like substance which can trap gold and is very challenging to deal with. Ideally foils should be as free of other metals as possible - particularly tin- prior to dissolving, in order to ensure best purity of the refined gold powder and to avoid complications.
Other contaminants can include Iron and Nickel oxides - which appear as fine black or brown powders (mud), which can be mixed with (and mistaken for) finely divided gold.
The common approach to dealing with tin oxide has been to roast the foils, in order to convert it to soluble tin compounds, and wash again in HCl prior to refining. I have never really been convinced by the effectiveness of this approach and it's a bit of a pain to do.
I came across an alternative approach: to convert Tin Oxide to soluble Tin (ii) Chloride by reduction using Zinc. In a post-etch cleanup of the foils with fresh HCl this allows Tin to be separated from the foils by filtration.
SnO2+Zn+2HCl→SnCl2+ZnO+H2↑
Zinc Oxide is also soluble in HCl, forming Zinc Chloride, so would be in liquid phase and would pass through the filter.
ZnO+2HCl→ZnCl2+H2O
Using Zinc would also have the advantage of reducing Nickel oxide and Iron oxides to soluble Nickel and Iron chlorides:
Fe2O3+Zn+6HCl→2FeCl2+ZnCl2+3H2O
NiO+Zn+2HCl→NiCl2+ZnO+H2↑
I performed an experiment, dissolving the zinc casings of two AA batteries in about 300ml of fresh 10% HCL in a beaker which contained my foils and black powder, and a layer of white tin oxide contaminant.
Zinc powder would be ideal for this approach but it's expensive, and I found that the zinc battery casings were quite adequate and even though I did not cut them into small pieces they dissolved completely within about 5 minutes. The resulting hydrogen produced quite a head of froth as my HCl is store-bought muriatic acid which contains a foaming agent- I was able to knock it down with a spray bottle.
After stirring for a futher 10 minutes the Tin oxide appeared to have been successfully converted to soluble Tin Chloride as no white mud was visible. The solution was very dark brown, almost black, loaded with the suspended black powder - which, since Iron oxides and Nickel oxide should also have been reduced to soluble chlorides, should now consist only of finely divided gold.
I let the solution settle for about an hour, but it was very slow to settle and remained almost black. So I decanted the solution off the layer of settled foils and black powder, through a coffee filter. The tin chloride can still hydrolyze to form metastannic acid so I wanted to separate it from the bulk of the foils as soon as possible. A lot of the suspended particles were too fine to be caught by the filter; the filtrate remained dark so I left it to settle further.
The gold foils had turned pink at this stage- evidently some copper was present had cemented onto them. I added fresh HCl to the beaker of foils, which quickly appeared to redissolve the copper, restoring their normal gold colour.
The filtration will take a long time, and both the filtrate and the beaker of foils will likely take a day or two to settle, but at this stage I am quite confident that this approach has successfully dealt with the Tin oxide, as well as Nickel and Iron oxides. If it proceeds as expected, I intend to go straight to dissolving the foils with fresh HCl and pool chlorine tablets, without the need for roasting.
I will update this thread as the experiment concludes.
Also I tend to aggitate my etches quite aggressively by shaking, so my foils are often broken down into finely divided black powder. Black powder also forms when gold is dissolved and cemented back out, for example when hydrogen peroxide is added (though I don't do this any more).
Tin oxide is a particularly annoying contaminant to find among my foils- a white precipitant which looks similar to Copper (I) Chloride but will not redissolve with the addition of fresh HCl. It's difficut to separate from the foils, and furthermore it can hydrolyze to form the dreaded metastannic acid, which in water is a jelly-like substance which can trap gold and is very challenging to deal with. Ideally foils should be as free of other metals as possible - particularly tin- prior to dissolving, in order to ensure best purity of the refined gold powder and to avoid complications.
Other contaminants can include Iron and Nickel oxides - which appear as fine black or brown powders (mud), which can be mixed with (and mistaken for) finely divided gold.
The common approach to dealing with tin oxide has been to roast the foils, in order to convert it to soluble tin compounds, and wash again in HCl prior to refining. I have never really been convinced by the effectiveness of this approach and it's a bit of a pain to do.
I came across an alternative approach: to convert Tin Oxide to soluble Tin (ii) Chloride by reduction using Zinc. In a post-etch cleanup of the foils with fresh HCl this allows Tin to be separated from the foils by filtration.
SnO2+Zn+2HCl→SnCl2+ZnO+H2↑
Zinc Oxide is also soluble in HCl, forming Zinc Chloride, so would be in liquid phase and would pass through the filter.
ZnO+2HCl→ZnCl2+H2O
Using Zinc would also have the advantage of reducing Nickel oxide and Iron oxides to soluble Nickel and Iron chlorides:
Fe2O3+Zn+6HCl→2FeCl2+ZnCl2+3H2O
NiO+Zn+2HCl→NiCl2+ZnO+H2↑
I performed an experiment, dissolving the zinc casings of two AA batteries in about 300ml of fresh 10% HCL in a beaker which contained my foils and black powder, and a layer of white tin oxide contaminant.
Zinc powder would be ideal for this approach but it's expensive, and I found that the zinc battery casings were quite adequate and even though I did not cut them into small pieces they dissolved completely within about 5 minutes. The resulting hydrogen produced quite a head of froth as my HCl is store-bought muriatic acid which contains a foaming agent- I was able to knock it down with a spray bottle.
After stirring for a futher 10 minutes the Tin oxide appeared to have been successfully converted to soluble Tin Chloride as no white mud was visible. The solution was very dark brown, almost black, loaded with the suspended black powder - which, since Iron oxides and Nickel oxide should also have been reduced to soluble chlorides, should now consist only of finely divided gold.
I let the solution settle for about an hour, but it was very slow to settle and remained almost black. So I decanted the solution off the layer of settled foils and black powder, through a coffee filter. The tin chloride can still hydrolyze to form metastannic acid so I wanted to separate it from the bulk of the foils as soon as possible. A lot of the suspended particles were too fine to be caught by the filter; the filtrate remained dark so I left it to settle further.
The gold foils had turned pink at this stage- evidently some copper was present had cemented onto them. I added fresh HCl to the beaker of foils, which quickly appeared to redissolve the copper, restoring their normal gold colour.
The filtration will take a long time, and both the filtrate and the beaker of foils will likely take a day or two to settle, but at this stage I am quite confident that this approach has successfully dealt with the Tin oxide, as well as Nickel and Iron oxides. If it proceeds as expected, I intend to go straight to dissolving the foils with fresh HCl and pool chlorine tablets, without the need for roasting.
I will update this thread as the experiment concludes.
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