Why there's still people buying ebay guides ?

[Cobraj]

Hi all,

Like you said 6 CATs will not equal $2000 unless like you also said you have 6 Large BMW CATs. I saw that was a bit exaggerated.

Hearing about Megan selling this stuff to do the Cats now makes sense. I didn’t know she sold the chemicals to produce the product also. This is a little disheartening because her ad for this kit mentions no first or second parts of a kit, it does mention that this is a second edition which I took to be a revised version of a previous book that was made. It says it is complete. The wording is you get soup to nuts about how to get your product to look like the 12 grams or whatever she has in that bowl, on your own! I know I read in one of the emails that I would be provided 3 contacts that bought the PT metals and one of them would be Megan. I wonder how fair that price would be.

I will definitely need some questions answered later on; I hope you all don’t mind.

Thanks everyone for your imput, keep it comin!!

 

[Harold_V]

by all means jump!!!

OK-----jump I will-----but it's nothing new! (And you damned well may resent hearing it.)

Do you have a copy of Hoke's book?

If not, why not?

Please do not tell me you can't afford one. Truth is, you can't afford to NOT buy one. It is, without a shadow of doubt, the best book going for a guy that wants to learn to refine metals.

Please note that I make no claims as to its ability to carry you through extracting values from electronic scrap, or cats, but the principles of refining remain the same, regardless of the source.

That book will teach you enough to become proficient at refining. You can master the rest by reading here, from guys that are doing it daily.

In Hoke's book you will find the answers to everything you need to know to process gold, platinum and palladium. It's lacking in silver content, but that's not hard to learn----it has been well discussed on this forum, and there's a couple of us that can give you good, although often conflicting, advice.

There are lots of idiotic suggestions made daily, here, as well as on other forums, and ebay, where you get the privilege of paying prices for everything. For the most part, people that post aren't knowledgeable about the subject matter-----but they are curious to a fault, and have lots of enthusiasm. Sometimes they're even a little dishonest and are trying to separate you from your money, regardless of the amount. You can spend an eternity following advice from such people, and still not know anything except for what doesn't work.

Having said that, Hoke's book is none of that. It is a book that is virtually perfectly written for the novice, for it was intended to instruct low volume consumers of gold in ways to reclaim their waste materials. An understanding of chemistry isn't even required, for which I was eternally grateful. I have no schooling on the subject, yet managed to found and run a commercial refining business that enjoyed unexpected success.

Get the book, and study it until you understand what it says. Get your hands dirty in small volumes until you are comfortable with what you're seeing and can predict results. You will come to understand the wisdom in my harping on the book.

Harold

You near Pocatello?

 

[catfish]

Hi Harold:

I finaly received my copy of C.M. Hoke's book, "How to refiine precious metals waste."

I spent most of the night reading it. I am impressed and now I wish I had odered it months ago. One of the most impressive parts of the book is that the writer lays it out in very simplistic terms as to where any one can undersand it.

I can see why you are abig advacate of Hoke.

Thanks for the info,

catfish

 

[blueduck]

by all means jump!!!

OK-----jump I will-----but it's nothing new! (And you damned well may resent hearing it.)

Do you have a copy of Hoke's book?

If not, why not?

Please do not tell me you can't afford one. Truth is, you can't afford to NOT buy one. It is, without a shadow of doubt, the best book going for a guy that wants to learn to refine metals. ......
Harold

You near Pocatello?

No i do not have Hokes book yet. Before joining this forum i knew nothing of Hokes book, and even after reading the virtues of her book i was at first hesitant to get a copy until i read more good reviews of it by you fellas that are recovering values daily and praise the volume so highly for beginners [from the many posts that ask beginner questions i figured it out that it must be a really well written treatise]. On to affording and not affording..... I got into a jam a few years back, and ended up in bankruptcy court and tryed my damnedest to save the 5 acres and house we were purchasing, the banksters did not want to play they seen i bought the place for about half of what it was at that time marketing for and just poked and prodded and continued on with a forecloseure sale outside the contract i signed..... ive been in the Idaho courts doing my own paperwork for the past 2.5 years [try holding a steady job and doing research and writing papers and attending hearings when theings are not going the way the rule book says they are supposed to go] finally after many months of near sleepless nights i finished my appeal paperwork in June only to have the final brief sent back for having the wrong color of paper on the front cover [i had a light yellow and it was supposed to be tan, ended up as cream cause even the fricking coopy shops that carry all colors for the lawyers dont have a printable tan in the poundage required by the Idaho supreme court] after the correction of the color of paper and the addition of a few words here and there, and submitting it in the mail i slept for about 2 days.... this past month i have been looking to get back into working at something [ergo the recovery of PGM's from cats due to the fact i have worked on on off for the local wrecking yard on semi-truck wrecks the past 19 years, mostly lumber roll overs] People dont want my sawmill service currently, even though a few are building they find it easier to get lumber from the building supply's..... My wife works at a steady job in advertising, manages storage units for a former boss, does hair at he funeral home once in awhile [she used to work there as secretary and the new lady wont touch dead folks hair] she teaches karate and kickiboxong a couple days a week to stay in shape [she is a former world champion kickboxer and retired professional boxer]..... so i take care of the 3 kids, 2 of which wil be going bak to school in 3 weeks, but daycare here for them is $9 per hour.... just about what the going rate for most work around Cetral Idaho is..... so i could work out, and pay more than i can bring in this summer for daycare... economically it sux.... needless to say we are behind in a couple things, have no credit cards though, just one car payment that because of a rig dying on my wife we had to keep her able to drive last winter and still be able to haul kids around or she could have stayed using my pick up...... but the cost of living goes up and the income levels have stayed the same.

A friend wants me to resaw a good portion of his material he has bought from tearing down old timber frame buildings, not a problem except i would have to purchase another type of saw mill, I had to turn down $150,00.00 contract from him last year when i culd not get the logs to saw [found the logs 4 months later but the contract was already filled] Ive been sawmilllling on and off for 21 years since buying my portable sawmill, the uniqueness has worn off, but my dad told me just yesterday that the reason recovering precious metal intrigues me is that it is not much different from taking a log and making lumber from it, taking a hunk of jewlery or computer scrap or ore body and getting out of it what is there that others either cannot or wont....

Broke i may be that is temporary, poor i am not for that is a state of mind.... the one thing i learned from listening to Ross Perot years ago.... before he ran for president of the corporation of the united states.

We struggle daily to make ends meet, yet I know more ways to make a fe dollars than most people ever think of... some of it takes more than i have to get the return that more than pays the investment off, I was hoping that my slight edge with the wrecking yard would be enough to get me in the door and going along with what information I purchased from Megan Rose, knowing i still had to set up certain things hopefully being able to scrounge some and used some second hand items too] and still knowing i had to buy some chemicals outright.... this is where this forum has proven beneficial in several charts and graphs and references that sorts things out in my mind..... but Hokes book is on my list to purchase. I sit with several thousand dollars in tools i have bought over the years out in the shop, useless until i sell them then i would need any given tool the next week and replacement is atrocious, i started a list a couple days ago after the neighbors garage was set afire by his girls and her friends [accident they say but i heard the fireworks going off, thought at first it was gunfire across the way up on the hillside about half a mile away, but the dog scrambled for the house which meant fireworks]... anyhow it was enlightening to make an actual list of the big items i know i had, but never wrote down cause they are out there waiting where i put them....

As far as where i am at I currently live on the Nez Perce Indian Reservation in Kamiah city limits, my property i am in court over is about 6 miles outside of town in a quiet little subdivision of what used to be like minded people tel the property values soared and they sold out. Pocatello is about 13 hours by road, and about 200 miles as the crow flys.... Idaho is one of the few states where you cannot get everywhere in short order, I live about 30 miles from a wilderness area that is bigger than some of the states back in the east.

I will survive, And i will end up with Hokes book, and i will end up with some sort of PG metals either sold or laying around collecting dust, cause i have started this venture and will see it out [mom sez it cause there is mule in my dads background but i think she was just funnin me years ago]

William
Central Idaho republik

 

[lazersteve]

William,

Please check your Private Messages and reply to me accordingly.

Thanks,

Steve

 

[goldsilverpro]

William,

I hope someone makes a photocopy of Hoke's book and sends it to you, gratis. My copy was stolen about 10 years ago or, I would do it.

I feel very sad for you in your situation. It's just further proof that no one owns their property, unless they have a land patent and are not part of the corporation, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA or, the corporation, THE STATE OF IDAHO or, any other governmental corporate agency, which are all written in all-caps. I even read that Wilson's first term was the last time we've had a president under the constitutional, The United States of America. Since then, they've all been presidents of the corporation, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Same with governors. Wouldn't surprise me, in the least.

Keep fighting.

 

[Charlena]

And bless your awesome awesome determination William and know that you have really helped me with your story, it is exactly the kind of gratitude adjustment i've been needing and I'm excited for you and me now!
BOY I was in a apathetic YUK too! Thanks hun!
You ROCK!

Feel free to add me to your network of go to 's for what ever I can help ya with!

God I love this forum....^5 NOXX ya done good here kiddo! :!: :!:

 

[aflacglobal]

Man i really do feel for you. I to have hit the skidds on ocassion or two. Hell i'm half way on one now. But i have come to find out that no matter how hard i think my life is , their is always some one who is worse off than me.

I don't see you as a quitter, so i'm guessing your going to come out alright. I know you probaly keep thinking when, Hell i do all the time. You would think that the odds of winning would eventually run in our favor.

But no matter what happens we get up the next day and do it again. We all do. This is what determines the i cans of the world from the i can'ts of the world. I'm sure everyone here on the forum will help in any way they can. That's one thing i love about this place. The human element side of it.

It's not about money or glory. It's about helping each other for the betterment of the cause. Be it gold, family, or life.

Good luck William.

Ralph

 

[Cobraj]

HI,

Well I didn't hear of Hokes book till now and I thank you for that! I will be buying it as soon as I can find it. Thanks Harold!

 

[blueduck]

Everyone
thank you for the words of encouragement, what I posted is just what has happened and it is my life and I live it every day the best I can and my family survives..... If there was quit in me, I would not have made it to the Idaho supreme court by myself, or actually with the support of my wife. Believe it or not I would not trade what has happened to me for a different life even at this point, for the knowledge I have gained is worth more than a so-called stress free life many think they lead.

As for help, you all have helped me in my search for knowledge more than words can put forth, Lazer_Steve has probably been more help than anyone else with his videos on his website, as just getting a visual on what someone else uses to get things accomplished and the colorations in the processes is a huge help in knowing what something ought to look like, that he has offered more than that for helping out is above anything I expected, mostly because i dont expect things from anyone to fall my way, I tend to give more of myself to others when possible.... The PDF books and the video that others have posted are also a help, some more than others, and reading through them makes me want to expand my hard copy library even more.

The world lost two people this year who were insignificant to most, but very good people to me, the first was my dad-in-law in february, he was a logger who was injured in 1992 and built an entire metal shop from books from Dave Gingery including a foundry, taught himself gun smithing including the old cold rust blueing [where i get my understanding of how to make nitric acid from scratch] and a patriot in the hardcore sense. The other fella passed a couple weeks ago, and was my mentor in the lawball game, he was born in the depression join the army when he was 15 and fought in Korea.... deserted and spent time in Lompac prison, owned the California mattress factory in the early 1960's and sold it for nearly half a million and moved to Idaho and became a logger.... above other things he was a thinker, and tinker, his dad was a gold miner and he taught me about gold, some about leaching, and a whole lot about the life most people never get to experience, He showed me where there is a safe in a river that 3 men stole in 1952 and more than likely it has the missing coins from the Panama Exposition that are so rare now...... this was all part of a lawsuit back in the early 1990's so it is public record.... his dad was one of the fellas who stole the safe, along with another fella who died in 1990 and owned the local brothel til the forest service took it away from him [the mustang ranch was not the first house that the government owned and operated] Jack was a safecracker and a character. But my mentor would have loved that i was getting into this recovery end of precious metals and would have been right here giving advice had he not gone blind from diabetes and the cancer taken away most of what he knew or at least the meds they gave him for the pain of bone, lung and brain cancer..... [he was logging where they were spraying agent Orange in the back country in the early 1970's, and had the symptoms of some of the soldiers from Viet Nam ive met over the years who were exposed to it] Knowledge is key to everything, and no matter what the world thru the evil perpetrators who think they are in charge of things try to take away, they can never take away knowledge unless through drugs. He too was a patriot, even though he had went awol and spent time in the pokey for it, The return of rightful government was his hope that one day would happen.... anyhow his knowledge is lost, as is the knowledge of my dad-in-law... both taught me metal working that i did not already know, both were self taught machinists and like them, I am about as independent as a person can get tht still has to rely on other s from time to time to get where I am going.

That I have happened upon this awesome group of folks is perhaps by chance, or fate or the will of Almighty God.... I cannot say, but a group of folks that have shown by their posts and actions they are a family of like minded individuals who care about what they do a a hobby or business and want others to share in it as well as far as recovery and refining goes.

I guess i cannot say it enough, you folks are great, and i appreciate the comments and thoughts and offers of help. I feel so not alone when I read what you all have written, and that GSP knows more than he lets on about the corporation I really feel at home.

I am just a GOAT [generalist of all trades] but when I take on a project I know I can do, I get it done as best I can and perfect my mechanics of it if possible to be as good as the best in the trade or business, for I was brought up that way of doing things.

William
Central Idaho

 

[Cobraj]

Hi all,

Now I really need help! It seems that someone that knows Megan is on this board and forwarded her my post on this thread. To that person I say thanks for taking my post out of context. After waiting nearly 3 weeks to put the money together; then asking Megan to post it on Ebay again; then trying to buy it on the last day of the auction and it saying that the seller has prohibited me from buying this auction; then after an email to her on the last hour being able to buy it; then waiting nearly a week for the kit to show I receive a letter from the publisher stating that I have been refunded my $186.45 in full because “To me, this material (forum post)clearly indicates that you have purchased the wrong item.” I guess I need to believe her then. Sounds like an omen to me!

Thank you, Harold, for posting about Hokes book I will now be looking for that. Jimdoc, thank you for sharing about Action mining selling a dvd on leaching with CLS. Thank you others I've surely forgotten.

That being said I’m in a boat load of doom now with 6 CATs and 2 More on the way with nothing to do but look at them. What I wanted to do was process the CATs myself since a refiner doesn’t get or give you what they are worth, they have to make a buck too.

Now I’m afraid of buying anything other than Hoke’s book and Action Mining DVD. What can I do to get started? Not getting that kit has my head spinning, maybe I better post after awhile.

 

[blueduck]

CobraJ

Megan herself is a member of this forum but to my knowledge has not posted anything anywhere yet...... and she was not a member until i informed here about the forum around the middle of June after i became a member, lloking for anyone who anything bad/ negative to say about her books. actually searching on the internet on different forums i did not find anything at all to the negative, though the information suer highway system has many off ramps to get lost on and dead end and a person cant look through everything even with a good search engine. But only recently on this forum has anyone said anything negative other than one fella way back in March, and he was selling a machine so I personally took that as a neutral comment cause when you are selling something along similar lines you tend to pump up your product and downplay the others even if the others are better..... its called business.

After paying out over $300 for Megan's platinum recovery booklets, I am not unhappy, just frustrated that the information is not what I expected, and not as complete as a couple of other folks agree, as to the value, there is always value in books, and perhaps saving you $190 the publisher sent your money back because you did not purchase both the booklets needed to recover platinum that she / they sell.... I dont know and I can not say. But according to several of the fellas on this forum Hokes book is the one everyone needs, and a couple fellas that have the action mining DVD say it is good and you could build the system they sell for $8000 from the video and action minings parts they sell for replacement to do the leaching procedure.... I personally dont know. I have a few cats sitting here to get started with too that a friend took out of some cars he junked out this spring [one of the many reasons I went looking for a process to recover the scrap precious metal] and after finding this forum I have come to the conclusion that taking a deep breath and learning the process of gold recovery along side of the Pt, Pd and Rh recovery is the thing to do and thee guys [and gals] that are doing it already are the most helpful folks in the world when it comes to the new fellas..... It has vigorously made me think of returning to college in the metallurgical field or other such degree, though I really do not know what I would do with such a degree at this time and my age [44 currently and gradually aging daily]

Visit action mining website and use their toll free number and get their catalog sent to you cause the pdf version isnt bad to look at, but it takes awhile to load/save and i always found a hard copy better than an electronic one. And then look at www.minerox.com and call and ask for their catalog too, they both have similar books and some are less from one than the other.... and verse-visa. And i suspect there are other places out there where books are even less and some places more....

The one thing that Megans booklets do not tell you that is pertinent to the end result of having a bar of metal is that for the home hobbyist it is unlikely that they can melt the Pt powder, or the Pd powder into a solid chunk do to the high heat needed to do so, and this is why she would like to "bid" on your powders you would recover it is just another frustrating part of the lack of information presented in the form a person pays out for....

William
Central Idaho

 

[Cobraj]

Hi all,

Thanks for the post BlueDuck. I just ordered from Action Mining at www.infomine.com. They had some stuff I was looking for at a good price. I bought a 3 part DVD set they have

•VIDEO - 3 ITEM BUNDLE FOR CATALYTIC CONVERTER PROCESSING $199.00
Educational material necessary to fully understand the recovery procedures for PGMs. Includes: video "The Leaching Process of Catalytic Converter Material", video "Investigating & Understanding Fire Assaying", and book "CLS Leaching Manual".(S&H NOT INCLUD [...]

and will buy next week (hopefully)

Refining Precious Metal Wastes $89.95
BY C M HOKE, HARD BOUND, 362 PAGES. REFERENCE MANUAL OF PROCEDURES, EQUIPMENT, SAFETY, AND TECHNICALITIES OF REFINING GOLD AND SILVER. FROM THE ADDITION OF COPPER AND ZINC FOR MAKING JEWELRY, GOLD ALLOYS, PLATINUM, AND ELECTROPLATING. DETAILED WITH DRAWING [...]

Sounds like this will give me better information, but I have to save up for Hoke's book.

 

[Cobraj]

Hi all,

Melting PT metals would be no problem for me because I have access to both Natural Gas/Oxygen setup and Hydrogen/Oxygen setup. These I believe are the 2 best ways to heat PT metals as far as I know. I don’t know the whole process yet but I will.

 

[lazersteve]

Refining Precious Metal Wastes $89.95
BY C M HOKE, HARD BOUND, 362 PAGES. REFERENCE MANUAL OF PROCEDURES, EQUIPMENT, SAFETY, AND TECHNICALITIES OF REFINING GOLD AND SILVER. FROM THE ADDITION OF COPPER AND ZINC FOR MAKING JEWELRY, GOLD ALLOYS, PLATINUM, AND ELECTROPLATING. DETAILED WITH DRAWING

You can get it at

IPMI #1105

for $74 + shipping. Be sure to let them know Lazersteve sent you! :wink:

Steve

 

[Harold_V]

Hi all,

Melting PT metals would be no problem for me because I have access to both Natural Gas/Oxygen setup and Hydrogen/Oxygen setup. These I believe are the 2 best ways to heat PT metals as far as I know. I don’t know the whole process yet but I will.

The best possible way to melt these metals is with an induction furnace, which would likely be well beyond affordability unless you are involved in a business with considerable volume. You will find you're seriously limited as to the amount you can torch melt, although it is an acceptable way to melt the metals in small volume. Been there, done that.

The other problem that no one seems to be addressing is selling the metals. While there is a market for the platinum group, it is not like the gold market, where you can get near spot price for your values. I would encourage you to explore the market and determine what buyers will pay before you get heavily invested in processing, only to find you're passing the values to the buyer instead of yourself. My experience when I sold a large lot of platinum left a great deal to be desired. I found every buyer I contacted to be less than honest, and, in the end, took a substantial loss.

Harold

 

[P_CARROLL]

All I can say is Hokes book is better than Ammens for me and I have both.

 

[Cobraj]

Hi all,

Thanks P-Carroll I will be getting that book next week.

Harold, The best source for the sale of resins I found so far that pays for all 3 PT group metals resins they pay:

Platinum;
89% of the value of the Platinum spot (based on the current market price determined on the date of completion of order) 3 to 12 days turnover.


Palladium:
80% of the value of the Palladium spot (based on the current market price determined on the date of completion of order) 3 to 12 days turnover.


Rhodium:
80% of the value of the Rhodium spot (based on the current market price determined on the date of completion of order) 3 to 12 days turnover.



89%,80%,80% doesn't sound to great but it is the best I saw so far. There are no other fees and they pay shipping costs. Does anyone else know of a better deal?

 

[aflacglobal]

Now I really need help! It seems that someone that knows Megan is on this board and forwarded her my post on this thread. To that person I say thanks for taking my post out of context. After waiting nearly 3 weeks to put the money together; then asking Megan to post it on Ebay again; then trying to buy it on the last day of the auction and it saying that the seller has prohibited me from buying this auction; then after an email to her on the last hour being able to buy it; then waiting nearly a week for the kit to show I receive a letter from the publisher stating that I have been refunded my $186.45 in full because “To me, this material (forum post)clearly indicates that you have purchased the wrong item.” I guess I need to believe her then. Sounds like an omen to me!

Alright, i see a cat fight coming here. One, who cares Megan. Two, if see pissed, good for her. Three, move over bacon, now their's something meatier.

I guess you can tell by my tone that i still don't care for some folks. Personally i don't even know the woman. But i have seen how she deals in here business and how she conducts herself when confronted with it.

Well i'd say they are starting to feel the pinch. Not the bite,but that little prick. You start to ask yourself well if they are giving it away, why would i buy it from megan ? This is where we become the threat. Let here act like a kid. I would expect no less. I think we had another scroundal like that on the forum not long ago.

Rose i just one of the people who have taken advantage of people for far to long. Thier are a coule of others. One's in my sites. I think most know who that is. These people thrive at the control of information. Simple information at that. They take advantage of people to a criminal extent. Well if it ain't illegal, it should be. About like the medical profession. I understand cost and profit. I also understand the need to put value in that information or tecquinque. It is valuable. But come on people, $ 500 for some plasitic and graphite. Dam, i said it. Or how about $ 300,000 for a kidney. One that was probaly donated at that. Oh here's one. I give blood.
I get hurt and go to the hospital. They charge me for the blood. :shock:
WTF. See somethings just don't make sense.

Why not be like gold bug or platinumills and show up and introduce yourself. Nooooooooo!!!!! Instead i am going to lurk in the shadows and act like a 3 year old. I'm laughing my *** off here. My god.

When i start getting feedback of this kind it just lets me know the screws are tighting and the vise is getting tighter. Let's me know i'm on the right track. :wink:

Rock the boat, don't rock the boat baby.
Rock the boat, don't tip the boat over.

Actually i have had a good day. Thank you for asking.

ROCK ON GOLD REFINING FORUM.

 

[jimdoc]

Wow, I guess I am on her "no sell to list" also.
Jim