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justinhcase said:
cnbarr said:
Jackie is still in my lab today, with that said I do not believe him to be a con artist, but I do think he's a bit of his rocker. I just had an hour long argument with him as to whether or not "white ormus gold" exsist, he was very insistent that it does.

He also told me he could extract 75Toz/ton per out of an ore, using AP and zinc, that I assayed to be only 0.035ppm, I'm eager to see this "magic" happen (said with a hint of sarcasm)!

While the man does have some knowledge , I think he may sniffed a few to many fumes in his day.

I could make a list of his outlandish claims, but I think it far easier to say he's in the catagory with all the other invisible gold theorists.
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As the subject of "Ormus Gold" Have you seen this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm8IKtIhMnI
I strongly recommend it is used only as a guide as what not to ever do..
Happily cooking away in his kitchen.At least he got him self a nice lab coat and a pair of safety glasses and a dust mask.
My be we should do a debunk section where we try to replicate such myth's under proper condition's .
It might help to stop people falling for such guff.
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It would be interesting if someone could get the Mythbuster folks interested in publicly debunking some of these scams about gold from glass, gold from bags of Home Depot sand, and gold from silver plus yeast or whatever that other guy was going on about.
 
The short version, my boss had him and the client escorted out of the lab last Friday after he opened a jar of black sands that had been fermenting in his own urine for a year and half. He proceeded to tell us he had been working on a custom "bio leach" for gold, where he would keep jars of black sand in his room and urinate on them at night and ferment them for 1.5 yrs to extract the gold.

I don't think any more needs to be said, needless to say my work is implementing a screening process before new clients and their "consultants" make it through the door!

Talk about embarrassing for all of us!
 
Under aerobic conditions there should be a lot of nitrate in it. Adding HCl would form poorman's AR. :lol: *only joking*
 
Ha ha !

I live for that kind of craziness! My life is boring. Give him my number. :mrgreen:
I'm telling you now that i could write a book about the craziness i have seen in my life. Human psychology amazes me.
 
cnbarr said:
He proceeded to tell us he had been working on a custom "bio leach" for gold, where he would keep jars of black sand in his room and urinate on them at night and ferment them for 1.5 yrs to extract the gold.

Reminds me of the old joke about the father dog teaching his son the 3 important things in life, If you can't eat it or,,, well never mind, not a clean joke.
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cnbarr said:
The short version, my boss had him and the client escorted out of the lab last Friday after he opened a jar of black sands that had been fermenting in his own urine for a year and half. He proceeded to tell us he had been working on a custom "bio leach" for gold, where he would keep jars of black sand in his room and urinate on them at night and ferment them for 1.5 yrs to extract the gold.

I don't think any more needs to be said, needless to say my work is implementing a screening process before new clients and their "consultants" make it through the door!

Talk about embarrassing for all of us!
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ROFLMAO
 
Jackie is an interesting individual. I have dinner with him when he visits Las Vegas for the mining convention, when he can make it.

As a professional Radiochemist whom has worked on nano materials, in theory it's not all bunk work. The way these particles exist and are formed are not well understood, but they can be collected, enriched, and refined, but the host material must have them present.

To identify them, nothing less than a TEM will do compounded with neutron activation.

Jackie is a strange guy, someone trying to make a living, who is attempting to convey knowledge, his experience, and his opinions. Yes, some of it is out there....but not all of it. You just need access to more advanced instrumentation and a deeper understanding of materials science.

Regards,
Edward Mausolf, PhD
 
So I have access to an FEI Titan TEM. Pretty nice as it should be for a million dollar instrument. I also send certain samples out for NAA.

My question is why anyone would think that these nanoparticle gold materials cannot be recovered?
 
For everything, it sounds like transmutation. I might have been born at night but I wasn't born last night. Like my brother says, I might be some dumb but I ain't plumb dumb. I know alchemy when I read about it. Gold from beer bottles and ormus gold.

"The word Ormus comes from the acronym ORMEs, Orbitally Rearranged Monatomic Elements. it is also referred to as white gold, white powder gold, ormus water and ormus gold. Rhodium, Iridium and gold are present in Ormus in a non-metallic state."

LOL
 
Keeps those jars in his room.. :shock: ..that's gotta be nice.
Well, I have heard the ancient Egyptians some how used camel urine to extract gold from ores.


in his room......?... :mrgreen:
Anyway this thread really made my night. Between rickbb, and Geos jokes I had some good laughs.
 
its hard to get some one to understant that gold can exist on that form .ihave been working on same subject they do exist .in one single atom .i post few quistons on the post whene i was lost on refining a gold ore .idont blame any body .on not knowing how to refine that type of gold ore .its a new sience some call them ormus gold but its realy a nano particles .tha only way to find out its by acid solution .fire assay wont work .its gold but in defrent state its one single atom .and you can not you can not make it metal .like normal gold .because in that state its not metal any more .i think you have to convert theme to metalic state by fusion .if some one talk about this subject beleave me its some thing there dont make fun of theme .nano gold its new sience .ormus monotomic its all nano gold .
 
giom said:
its hard to get some one to understant that gold can exist on that form .ihave been working on same subject they do exist .in one single atom .i post few quistons on the post whene i was lost on refining a gold ore .idont blame any body .on not knowing how to refine that type of gold ore .its a new sience some call them ormus gold but its realy a nano particles .tha only way to find out its by acid solution .fire assay wont work .its gold but in defrent state its one single atom .and you can not you can not make it metal .like normal gold .because in that state its not metal any more .i think you have to convert theme to metalic state by fusion .if some one talk about this subject beleave me its some thing there dont make fun of theme .nano gold its new sience .ormus monotomic its all nano gold .
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Really where exactly do you get this new science idea from?
 
hard to explain 5 years ago find under my house gold ore .find with it refining clay the house is pre 17 centry thats how istart . beleave me .i think centerys ago they refined nano gold or mecroscopic gold .if you dont beleve me look for a glass in mesium in england made with coiladal gold .its all a nano particles of gold that give that color to the glass reby red .nano sience its new sience any refinner that have experince with the normal gold wont be able to refine it its dosnt have same gold caractrstic .it wont even melt at 1700 c you will get the same color powder of gold but wont melt .turn reby red .ihave done alot of work to it thats how i knew its nano gold its there . we talking about one single atom of gold .do some search and iam not wrong
 
Cranberry glass which I believe you are using as an example is made by adding gold salts or colloidal gold, the colloidal gold is made by adding stannous to a gold aqua regia solution and then added to molten glass.
If you believe that there is a form of gold not known to modern day science I think you are very badly mistaken and if there is colloidal gold it is recoverable,if it’s worth the effort,which if it’s mixed in with tons of organics or sand would not be worth pursuing due to the cost of recovery.
We try to be men of science here on the forum and frown on myths or beliefs that cannot be backed up by science when discussing chemistry, physics or metallurgy.
If there was an abundant source of gold in whatever form the mining industry would be all over it, the fact they are not speaks volumes.
 
Very fine particles of gold is still metal even if it is just one atom. Metal is a substance where the outer electrons are loosely bound to the nucleus and can jump between metal atoms. The atom is still in oxidation state 0.
A single atom is easily dissolved by anything that can dissolve gold. For example cyanide or aqua regia. As long as you have milled the ore fine enough the gold can be recovered. If it is economical is a totally different question.

I haven't tested but I would expect cranberry glass to loose it's red color if it was heated for too long at a temperature high enough to make the glass very fluid. Alternatively, adding fluorite might also make it free flowing enough so the gold have a chance to coalesce in bigger pieces. But this is just a theory I have.

Göran
 

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