True how things have changed.
Pikachu2000 said:Everyone should know their rights, including when they are and are not required to allow law enforcement to enter or search their homes/vehicles/businesses. In the vast majority of cases, It takes more than a phone call from a nosy neighbor, or a simple hunch to justify forcing entry. With a warrant, they are permitted to only search within the very specific parameters provided by the warrant, and they cannot charge you for things not covered by the warrant. If they do, it will be tossed out in court as it constitutes a violation of your rights. If you invite or allow them in without a warrant, you've just given them carte blanche to arrest you for ANYTHING they happen to find. If they barge in without a warrant, make it unquestionably clear that you do not consent to any search by very loudly saying so. Make it loud enough, and repeat it often enough that anyone in your neighborhood should hear it.
Also keep in mind that you have NO obligation to answer ANY questions posed by law enforcement, (other than those asked to establish your identity - and in many locales, it is sufficient to verbalize your identity, with no requirement to provide any identifying documents). They WILL use anything you say against you. You are not required to, and cannot be compelled to give information that may be self-incriminating. Too many people effectively convict themselves by running their mouths, and handing over information on a silver platter. The cops are NOT your friends. Even when you get pulled over for a simple traffic violation, the questions they ask are designed to get you to give them the information they need to get you convicted. "What's your hurry?", "Why were you going so fast?", "You didn't see that 'stop' sign, did you?", etc. These are all loaded questions, and when you provide the response they are designed to elicit, you've just sealed your own fate. Keep in mind that while the police can lie to you endlessly, without repercussion, to accomplish their goal of extricating information from you, it is a crime for you to lie to them.
To summarize, keep your mouth shut and immediately invoke your right to an attorney.
butcher said:but if someone heard I refine gold, they may get the idea I have lots of gold, and they can get rich easily or they can buy their drugs by coming and robbing me at gun-point, I sure would hate to wake up one night with four drugged and armed meth addicts waking me from a sleep to steal the little bit of gold I have worked so hard for.
butcher said:Ryriena,
That is great you can have that kind of relationship, if others know you work with the chemistry of metals, they wouldn't suspect a drug lab when they seen you with your lab glass.
Not everyone here on the forum can do that, some places it would be hard for neighbors or the authorities to understand what your doing even if you told them, even a DEQ officer may not understand what you are doing, even after you try to show them, even if you did they may not know you are working safely with the toxic metals, I had a DEQ officer visit me, he had no idea about the chemistry, or how to deal with the toxic sludge chemically, or even that someone could deal with it safely on a hobby level, all he knew is that I had five 5 gallon buckets of toxic sludge, I tried to explain to him, and show him how I was treating it to make it safe, he did not seem to understand what I was talking about.
You also need be very careful of who you tell what you are doing, and who else they may tell, people seem to get the wrong idea easily, I do not have much gold, but if someone heard I refine gold, they may get the idea I have lots of gold, and they can get rich easily or they can buy their drugs by coming and robbing me at gun-point, I sure would hate to wake up one night with four drugged and armed meth addicts waking me from a sleep to steal the little bit of gold I have worked so hard for.
I guess every situation is different; we just need be wise about what we say.
Palladium said:butcher said:Ryriena,
That is great you can have that kind of relationship, if others know you work with the chemistry of metals, they wouldn't suspect a drug lab when they seen you with your lab glass.
Not everyone here on the forum can do that, some places it would be hard for neighbors or the authorities to understand what your doing even if you told them, even a DEQ officer may not understand what you are doing, even after you try to show them, even if you did they may not know you are working safely with the toxic metals, I had a DEQ officer visit me, he had no idea about the chemistry, or how to deal with the toxic sludge chemically, or even that someone could deal with it safely on a hobby level, all he knew is that I had five 5 gallon buckets of toxic sludge, I tried to explain to him, and show him how I was treating it to make it safe, he did not seem to understand what I was talking about.
You also need be very careful of who you tell what you are doing, and who else they may tell, people seem to get the wrong idea easily, I do not have much gold, but if someone heard I refine gold, they may get the idea I have lots of gold, and they can get rich easily or they can buy their drugs by coming and robbing me at gun-point, I sure would hate to wake up one night with four drugged and armed meth addicts waking me from a sleep to steal the little bit of gold I have worked so hard for.
I guess every situation is different; we just need be wise about what we say.
I support this message 100%.
Pikachu2000 said:Everyone should know their rights, including when they are and are not required to allow law enforcement to enter or search their homes/vehicles/businesses. In the vast majority of cases, It takes more than a phone call from a nosy neighbor, or a simple hunch to justify forcing entry. With a warrant, they are permitted to only search within the very specific parameters provided by the warrant, and they cannot charge you for things not covered by the warrant. If they do, it will be tossed out in court as it constitutes a violation of your rights. If you invite or allow them in without a warrant, you've just given them carte blanche to arrest you for ANYTHING they happen to find. If they barge in without a warrant, make it unquestionably clear that you do not consent to any search by very loudly saying so. Make it loud enough, and repeat it often enough that anyone in your neighborhood should hear it.
Also keep in mind that you have NO obligation to answer ANY questions posed by law enforcement, (other than those asked to establish your identity - and in many locales, it is sufficient to verbalize your identity, with no requirement to provide any identifying documents). They WILL use anything you say against you. You are not required to, and cannot be compelled to give information that may be self-incriminating. Too many people effectively convict themselves by running their mouths, and handing over information on a silver platter. The cops are NOT your friends. Even when you get pulled over for a simple traffic violation, the questions they ask are designed to get you to give them the information they need to get you convicted. "What's your hurry?", "Why were you going so fast?", "You didn't see that 'stop' sign, did you?", etc. These are all loaded questions, and when you provide the response they are designed to elicit, you've just sealed your own fate. Keep in mind that while the police can lie to you endlessly, without repercussion, to accomplish their goal of extricating information from you, it is a crime for you to lie to them.
To summarize, keep your mouth shut and immediately invoke your right to an attorney.
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