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scrapdealer

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Just a few pics of a gas fired aluminium sampling furnace and accessories we just built.
Furnace is completely lined using 1300C castable refractory, lift out crucible is 5kg aluminium capacity, gas burner purchased locally.
The mushroom sample mould is for casting samples which are machined on the face and analysed on a spectrometer for various elements.
Ingot moulds from 4" x 2" channel.

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I've built my share of such furnaces. Very nice job you've done! I'm impressed.

Harold
 
Some pics of the burner as requested. We get them here locally from the machinery sundries supplier, cost around US$ 40.00. Easier and most probably cheaper than making a gas burner. They are very good and soon get up to the operating/melting temp in the small furnace.
However I suspect with the name "Alibaba" they are most probably made in China (or perhaps India...!).
I have used a bank of 4 in the past for pre-heating ingot moulds on a 180 mould rotating casting conveyor without any problem.

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Hi scrapdealer
I would like to build a furnace and I like your idea

If I bought one of these could I make a furnace like yours
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=91899
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=91894


Also in your first picture I see the burner attached to the furnace
How is that being held up there
Are you holding the burner with your hands or did you make something to have it stay like that
Maybe you can show a picture


Also about picture 3 and 4
Can you explain what that is
Thanks
 
Really nice job building the furnace. It looks very professional and should work very well for you.
dickb
 
refiner those small propane burners from harbor frieight would work for small coffee can type furnaces, harbor freight sells weed burners similar to what scrap dealer is using, they may not get hot enough for gold, if you want to build a furnace or burner find backyard metal casting sites, and others, propane or other gas burners are easy to build, or can be scavanged from old appliances,
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=backyard+metal+casting&aq=0&oq=backyard+met&aqi=g8g-m1

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&fkt=3031&fsdt=2562&q=reil+propane+burner&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
 
When making a furnace like this
Can someone tell me what kind of material you place in the centre as a form before pouring the refratory.
Is cardboard a good idea.
Then you can just burn it
Thanks
 
goldnugget77 said:
When making a furnace like this
Can someone tell me what kind of material you place in the centre as a form before pouring the refratory.
Is cardboard a good idea.
Then you can just burn it
Thanks

Cardbaord like from a box is not rigid enough. You can use soni tube that piers are poured with or a piece of metal stove pipe.
 
The last place I worked used round cement forms made of very thick cardboard. They are about 1/2" thick and won't collapse. The ones I saw had a plastic coating on both sides so the water won't soak in and weaken it. Many companies make them. They are available at places like Home Depot and Ace Hardware. The price for a section 10" dia x 48" long seems to be about $8. Some of them are made to peel away in layers once the cement has set. Here's the sizes that one company makes.
http://www.sonotube.com/sonotube_round_size_chart.html

For big furnaces, a friend of mine used fiber drums for a mold, although you have to put wooden stretchers in them to prevent them from collapsing and it's a bear to remove that metal ring at the bottom (I am thinking that he burned out the fiber drum and left the ring in there). For very, very small furnaces, I have used large coffee cans as a mold. Stove pipe works and is easier to remove because it has a collapsible seam. A small coffee can, or other type can, depending on the size you want, works well for the hole in the lid.

In building a furnace, I always start with the dimensions of the maximum crucible size I want to use and go from there. I prefer the "bilge" shape with a spout. I also prefer silicon carbide although clay/graphite is good also, especially for certain things. This link gives the dimensions of the various sizes. Looking at their prices, though, their name, "Budget", doesn't seem to fit too well.
http://www.budgetcastingsupply.com/Crucibles.php

According to the chart, a #10 crucible is about 6.5" wide at the bilge x 8" tall. For that size, I like about a 2" spacing between the crucible and the furnace walls, and 2.5" - 3" (I prefer 3") thick refractory for the floor, walls, and lid. The cardboard tube mold would, therefore, be about 10" diameter. Probably, those tubes are measured by the I.D. The metal shell would be about 15" - 16" dia. The height of the shell (not counting the lid) would be about 8" (crucible height) + about 1.5" (pedestal thickness) + 2.5" (floor refractory thickness) + 2" to 3" (space between top of crucible and top of furnace) = 14" - 15". With this size furnace, you could use a #10 crucible, or smaller. All these figures are ballpark. Measure everything before you build. If you go an inch or so bigger, it will be OK. You might be able to squeeze a #16 in there if you go about an inch taller and wider. For the dimensions I gave above, with 2.5" refractory and a 15" furnace diameter and height, it will take about 1.5 cubic feet of refractory, including the lid. For 3" thick refractory, it will take about 1.75 cu.ft. Use 3000F refractory. The cubic feet are marked on the bag. All manufacturer's bags are not the same.

For just melting karat gold scrap, a #4 or #6 would probably be adequate. Just remember that you can use a small crucible in a big furnace, but not the other way around. I've even seen people fire 30 gram assay crucibles (when doing assay fusions) in a #20 furnace. When I was pouring 10 oz and 100 oz pure silver bars, in a graphite book mold, I used a #6 or a #8 crucible in a #20 furnace.

NOTE: Do not accept my figures on anything, since I figured it hurriedly. Calculate everything yourself. I am just trying to give you some general design size ideas.
 
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I know that these burners can also be made but I am going to buy one of these
 
I know that these burners can also be made but I am going to buy one of these
Their prices are reasonable but burners are very easy to make, especially those for natural gas. Ready made burners do give the builder a little peace of mind, though.
 
Hi Chris & Barren
Thanks for those good ideas

How would I have this tube suspended in the right location while I am pouring the refractory.
I thought about placing wires underneath the sonotube
http://www.sonotube.com/sonotube_round_size_chart.html
 
How would I have this tube suspended in the right location while I am pouring the refractory.
I thought about placing wires underneath the sonotube
I have never personally used these tubes, but I have seen them used quite a few times. Unfortunately, I didn't pay as much attention as I should have. Here's what I remember. The tube is not suspended. You pour the floor first. When it is solid, but not fully cured (you want to get good bonding, I would assume), you just set the tube on the floor and center it. At first, add a little cement (maybe, a couple of inches deep) all around and tamp it so as to center the tube at the bottom. Add a little more, all around, and tamp a little. Soon, you have enough heavy cement all around to keep it from moving. At that point, you must make sure the top is centered. Repeat until it is full and smooth out the top.

Surely, someone else has actually used these tubes. Any comments or hints from them? Did you burn the tube out or, in some way, remove it. I seem to remember some guy on the internet cutting the tube all the way down the length first and then sealing the cut with duct tape (or, ?). Then, he added the cement. The seam made it easier to get out. Anyone tried this?
 
GSP,

That is correct on the sono tube. Cutting it length ways will be the best way. Make sure your seam is very secure when you start tamping the refactory or your pipe at the seam will start to move. A piece of 1" plank secured inside the sono tube so that seam can't move is recomended.
 
I use to use them when i built the afterburner units for sweat furnaces. I would spray them with oil first and then just do what we call a burnout and just let them burnout. I've also used oil coated pvc pipe and pulled it back out.
 
I use sonotubes. You can put heavy axle grease on them and they slide out. You have to do the base first as Chris said, but as long as the refractory is still green and not fired, you won't have issues with it forming a monolith.


Lou
 

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