Don't give up on your gold. It's a great experience to learn things when they go wrong. Like you said it was a costly lesson. Learn from it above all else. One thing i would like to clarify that Geo said and not to contradict him but, If you add more silver than you need to inquart then when you dissolve the silver out your gold won't stay in sponge form but it will break down into very fine particles of gold which will be harder to deal with.
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You can heat up the dish add some borax to the dish and re-melt, when gold is real hot roll it around it the dish, to collect the gold the borax should let you pour it.
If still trouble tray a very small sprinkle of soda ash with borax.
If not enough metal in the dish maybe add a little silver as a collector
Still stuck, try boiling the dish in your used nitrate solution from the last cementing process, or solution of H2SO4.
Worst case process dish and all :lol:
If still trouble tray a very small sprinkle of soda ash with borax.
If not enough metal in the dish maybe add a little silver as a collector
Still stuck, try boiling the dish in your used nitrate solution from the last cementing process, or solution of H2SO4.
Worst case process dish and all :lol:
jeneje
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Hey Palladium, give up No wayjust a mear set back :lol: one must sometimes punt the football and see where it lands. Although i like your ideal butcher - process the dish and all :lol: that way i get everything. All jokes aside i am going to follow the instruction given and learn from this experience.
I did get a small bb out of the dish and now trying to dissolve it to see if i got anything...keeping my fingers crossed. Soon it will be time for my bedtime store from CM Hoke she talking about inquarting tonight. What not to do :lol: I will prevail at this.
Ken :mrgreen:
I did get a small bb out of the dish and now trying to dissolve it to see if i got anything...keeping my fingers crossed. Soon it will be time for my bedtime store from CM Hoke she talking about inquarting tonight. What not to do :lol: I will prevail at this.
Ken :mrgreen:
seems like it is always the littlest detail that that gives us the biggest problem
Oooohhh. That's a real good story! I had no idea why anyone would want to add silver to their gold until I read that one. :lol:jeneje said:
Then again, choosing my favorite part of her book is kind of like choosing my favorite child... My least favorites, however, were throwing gasoline on your incinerations and dumping wastes down the drain. Those ones made me sad.
Dave
Geo
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the only time ive had gold stay in the shape it was is when i run just 10K in nitric. every time i inquart, it always comes out as a powder. ive learned to let everything settle for 24 hours or more anyway. i have nothing but time and patience. if i have a solution thats cloudy or murky, ill let it set for a week if thats what it takes to clear up. of course i know you cant do that when your working with someone elses material and its always better to use exact amounts whenever possible.
Geo I try to let my solutions sit, when I can, I let my reactions sit as long as it takes, by doing so I have seen more precipitate, solutions are clearer and cleaner, many reactions will take time to completely finish, I have small a jar of Platinum group metals that when I set them aside were mostly salts in solution after sitting a few weeks for gases to dissipate they are now powders of metals, it took weeks for the reactions to progress in the cold outdoors, even weeks later I would see tiny bubbles in the solution I figured would have long ago completed its reaction.
jeneje
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Hey guys, here is a pic of the gold i recovered from the solution so far. After decanting and filtering - it still tested positive with a dark almost black stannous test so i put the solution into flask, added some more copper and started bubbling air through it.
Sence i had so much solution to start with i dropped with copper, i figured it would be better then evaporation and denox at this point since i will re-refine.
Ken
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Sence i had so much solution to start with i dropped with copper, i figured it would be better then evaporation and denox at this point since i will re-refine.
Ken
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jeneje
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Should make a very nice button
jeneje
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Just looked this morning and it drying good, i think i may dry it as lazersteve has posted. I am curious to see the weight, it should be somewhere between 22 and 26 grams less the drag down. If i can manage at least 20 out of this it will give me enought for my first one once bar. I have brought a one once mold and am looking forward to my first bar :mrgreen: .
Ken
Ken
jeneje
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Am I reading this correct? You started with 47g 10-14 karat gold and got 39g pure gold from that?
Don't move, I'm sending you a kilo of 18k gold to refine, anything above a kilo of pure gold you can keep. :lol:
39g out of 47g is 19.9k, somewhere is a mistake or you still have a lot of water in your gold.
The obvious contaminant would be silver chloride in this case, but that you should have gotten out of your solution when filtering the auric chloride.
It will be interesting to see the resulting gold button.
Göran
Don't move, I'm sending you a kilo of 18k gold to refine, anything above a kilo of pure gold you can keep. :lol:
39g out of 47g is 19.9k, somewhere is a mistake or you still have a lot of water in your gold.
The obvious contaminant would be silver chloride in this case, but that you should have gotten out of your solution when filtering the auric chloride.
It will be interesting to see the resulting gold button.
Göran
jeneje
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No joke men, its dried with heat. Must be copper, i cemented with copper, i be happy with 20grams to be truthful. Unless i missed something and i don't think so. It will be interesting in knowing the finial result. I will start the second refine in the morning and then we know. I maybe or i will be :mrgreen:
Ken
or i will be :mrgreen: Ken
jeneje
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Just raw material, all i did was boil the material twic in water palladium. I am sure it will loose alot of weight after second refinement and proper washing.Palladium said:
Ken
Ken using your weights and allowing the material to be 1/2k under assay you should be looking for 22 grams plus, under that you either have some values in solutions or in the system somewhere, bless that stockpot, or the items were not as marked.
Yeah if its just cemented and water rinsed it will definitely have other metals in with it. Maybe some silver, copper, and platinum group metals just to guess a few.
So Ken, what's your next step with that nice chunky powder? I'm enjoying following along with your adventure.
Thad.
So Ken, what's your next step with that nice chunky powder? I'm enjoying following along with your adventure.
Thad.
