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paul-man

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Hello everybody
I stumbled on an item really new for me. The vendor's description was: "2 vacuum relays from russian military radio equipment. ". As he seems to be from the former GDR, I assume that these relays are from the time when russian forces had bases in the former GDR. So far so good. The issue is - I don´t know anything about these relays. Is there anybody out there that can give me a bit of information - especially on the content of PMs?
BRGDS paul-man
 

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Unless you get a reply from former USSR countries I think it will be guesses so I’d take it apart and test , with this stuff it can be extremely rich in values or just junk.
 
Hello everybody
I stumbled on an item really new for me. The vendor's description was: "2 vacuum relays from russian military radio equipment. ". As he seems to be from the former GDR, I assume that these relays are from the time when russian forces had bases in the former GDR. So far so good. The issue is - I don´t know anything about these relays. Is there anybody out there that can give me a bit of information - especially on the content of PMs?
BRGDS paul-man
Are there some kind of numbers or text some where?
 
Some people's soup is thin, while others' pearls are small...
I make good thick soup! Especially with potato soup, ya gotta add the right amount of milk and cook it a bit longer to thicken it a bit. And make sure it's whole milk. Low-fat milks won't thicken! (Suddenly a cooking class...) ;D
 
Thank you guys.
No PMs except silver! That‘s disappointing.

Brgds, paul-man
If there is vacuum, there is no oxidation. Where is no oxidation, there is no need for metals that won´t ever oxidize :)

Lots of old equipment even from 60´s is completely barren of PMs, that is happening from time to time to all of us across the former Eastern bloc. But then you stumble upon old USSR oscilloscope on the local flea market and pull out 200 g of old MLCCs from it :D :D Once happened to me, bought for 30 euros, pulled out 1-2 g of gold and 15g of PdPt from it.

Another time, I was too hasty and lured myself into purchasing old vacuum tube one for like 50ish euros... And as anyone experienced know (this happened in my beginnings many years ago), there is little to none PMs in vacuum tubes :) I was overhyped on the phrase "old is good", so I get a lesson :) I barely made back half of the money by painstakingly selling vacuum tubes and scrapping all transformers inside :D
 
Back in the stone ages, when most of you were polywogs, one of our instructors in military electronics was a tube designer in one of his previous lives. The primary choice in metals and alloys in vacuum tubes was efficiency doing the required job under very high heat for tens of thousands of working cycles. Just which alloys? I have forgotten most of that. It was, after all, well over four decades, one stroke, and several TIAs ago
 
Back in the stone ages, when most of you were polywogs, one of our instructors in military electronics was a tube designer in one of his previous lives. The primary choice in metals and alloys in vacuum tubes was efficiency doing the required job under very high heat for tens of thousands of working cycles. Just which alloys? I have forgotten most of that. It was, after all, well over four decades, one stroke, and several TIAs ago
there is a vacuum.

the correct, well-made glass bulb is important, without microcracks.
the lamp mount and connector are also important.
metals from the ferronickel group: kovar, invar.
and other alloys.The main thing is the low coefficient of linear thermal expansion.
from valuable metals: nickel and molybdenum.
 
there is a vacuum.

the correct, well-made glass bulb is important, without microcracks.
the lamp mount and connector are also important.
metals from the ferronickel group: kovar, invar.
and other alloys.The main thing is the low coefficient of linear thermal expansion.
from valuable metals: nickel and molybdenum.
Thank you for the reply. It shows what can be forgotten nearly fifty years after that series of lectures. I was in my early twenties then, and the guest instructor was over seventy. Age takes its toll.
 
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I'm currently working on the **Relays** chapter for a new title in a larger book series (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DRTXYMQW?binding=kindle_edition&ref=dbs_dp_sirpi).

Lately, during research I’ve noticed an increasing number of old Russian relays appearing on the market. The scrap seems so old—where are they all coming from?

Would there be any interest in compiling a more comprehensive list of these relays and providing detailed information about them?

Looking forward to your thoughts!
 
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I'm currently working on the **Relays** chapter for a new title in a larger book series (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DRTXYMQW?binding=kindle_edition&ref=dbs_dp_sirpi).

Lately, during research I’ve noticed an increasing number of old Russian relays appearing on the market. The scrap seems so old—where are they all coming from?

Would there be any interest in compiling a more comprehensive list of these relays and providing detailed information about them?

Looking forward to your thoughts!
Russian scrap is very nicely described and for nearly all basic components you have extensive lists of yields of individual PMs.
https://dragmetinform.ru/
https://scraptraffic.com/
etc.

If it is all of a sudden, I don´t know. Here, I did not noticed any spike in soviet scrap supply... Maybe in some parts of EU, there is quicker decomission of old soviet military equipment, replaced with newer equipment... That can make sense a bit. Because aside of military and laboratory appliances, there is very little soviet appliances tossed to the scrap in general.

But regarding relays, in old soviet military stuff, there was sometimes so many of them, that it was unreal :D panels of hundreds of relays with PtIr10 contact points etc... They are pretty nice. Prettiest are small "RZS" ones, like RZS-9, with gold contact points :) moneymakers, if you are lucky to source these
 
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I'm currently working on the **Relays** chapter for a new title in a larger book series (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DRTXYMQW?binding=kindle_edition&ref=dbs_dp_sirpi).

Lately, during research I’ve noticed an increasing number of old Russian relays appearing on the market. The scrap seems so old—where are they all coming from?

Would there be any interest in compiling a more comprehensive list of these relays and providing detailed information about them?

Looking forward to your thoughts!
Hello.
In short, where do relays come from is war.
this and relays flying to us (I’m from Ukraine) with missiles.
Let's say the Ren 33 relay contains about 3 grams of silver.
or ren 34 it contains less than a gram of silver, and so on.
cross-border movements.
women and children can travel freely to Europe without visas.
and old supplies that are thrown away when I modernize Soviet-era military equipment.
and so on, so on.
Soviet relays are a very complex and confusing topic.
there are many types in which the weight and material of the contacts changed over time.
You have a mistake in your book.
the RES 22 relay never had palladium contacts.
there is either silver (0.293 grams of silver / nickel, magnesium alloy. 99%./1
or gold.
but again until 1974 the weight was the same, then the weight decreased, then in 1986 it decreased again because some of the contacts were replaced with silver with gold plated.
In addition, relays are very often counterfeited, for example Res 8, rewriting the year.
because there, too, until 1968 the weight of the contacts was the same, then until 1973, the weight decreased, and then the contact material completely became silver instead of platinum-irridium alloy.
then in 1984, silver-palladium alloy with gold plating appeared in select passports.
in general, I love relays, I can talk about them for a long time...
but still I have to constantly use reference books.
and my knowledge is the tip of the iceberg.
:)
 
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