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thank you very much Butcher !, i think i will have our dore bar XRF first to give us an approx content of alloyed PM's
this was only a trial if i could cement values out using copper, it is a nitric solution so i guess gold does not include here in what is cemented, there aare some black powders undissolve in the bottom of the beaker that must be gold or PGM

i am sharing this pictures to our members so they could have an idea of such reactions
 

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hello friends , just wanting to share digital zoom picture of platinum mixed with little palladium or vice versa? cemented on a flattened copper tube, i owe a lot of my learning to all members and moderators here, it is a privilege to be a part of this forum thanks to all !
 

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Hi
Assume we have some gold alloys with very little silver so we don't need inquartation
For example:
75% gold
20% copper
5% silver
Or
40% gold
5% silver
55% copper

As you see we have a lot of base metals so it is not good digest them in aqua regia directly
1- Can we digest these alloys in nitric first to rid off base metals? (without inquartation) I ask this question because percentage of gold is high
2- For dissolving a gold alloy( without or little silver )in nitric, Is there any rules about minimum and maximum percentage of gold? For example we can't dissolve 22 karat gold in nitric because gold percentage is high and we can't dissolve bese metals and silver this way

I didn't search many because I don't know what I must search
Thanks
 
One way or another you will have to dissolve out the copper. This material looks like karat gold used for jewelry and you are correct there is low enough silver so you do not need inquartation. I would be dissolving this material in aqua regia and dropping the gold with metabisulfite. If you need higher purity a second digestion and a drop with oxalic acid will do nicely.

The collected chlorides can be reduced with either caustic and glucose or sulfuric and iron. With only 5% Silver there should be little gold entrapped by encrustation if you start by melting and pouring cornflake shots prior to your digestion the first time.
 
4metals said:
One way or another you will have to dissolve out the copper. This material looks like karat gold used for jewelry and you are correct there is low enough silver so you do not need inquartation. I would be dissolving this material in aqua regia and dropping the gold with metabisulfite. If you need higher purity a second digestion and a drop with oxalic acid will do nicely.

The collected chlorides can be reduced with either caustic and glucose or sulfuric and iron. With only 5% Silver there should be little gold entrapped by encrustation if you start by melting and pouring cornflake shots prior to your digestion the first time.
Thanks
You said little gold will entrap in silver chloride even with 5 percent silver
1- So at the end of the process we will have silver chloride with some gold?
2-How must recovery this undissolved gold? Add to next inquartation batch or dissolve chlorides to aqua regia several times until all of golds dissolve to the solution?
 
Any silver has the potential to encrust and trap some gold. Generally with karat gold anything with 9% or less Silver content I would do a direct dissolve in aqua regia. But I say that from the perspective of a refinery equipped to properly assay the incoming lots and segregate them accordingly.

All scrap coming into a properly run refinery is melted and sampled, this way the customer, if they are there to witness, gets a sample as well as the refinery gets a sample. Your question pertains to a gold and silver alloy so only gold and silver will be tested for. When a refinery collects enough bars to process a refining lot, the bars are melted together based on the assay of each bar. All bars are melted and mixed well, sampled one more time, and poured into water to produce a shot which looks like popcorn or cornflakes and has a large surface area to aid in digestion. The thing you are trying to attain is a lot with 9% or less silver content.

When you are trying to refine a bar with say 20% silver, aqua regia will not work. But if you have enough other bars with less than 9% silver, you may be able to add this high silver bar to the melt because what you need is the end alloy which will be put into aqua regia to be 9% or less silver. If you make up a spreadsheet for your bars to be tracked, you can mathematically determine which bars can be added to a melt and still be safely under the 9% as long as you have gold and silver assays for each bar.

I have seen tumbling systems actually be more effective against silver chloride encrustation because the tumbling and grinding action actually breaks up any potential encrusting lumps of silver chloride. These systems can actually produce acceptable results with up to 12% silver content.

The silver chloride accumulated from these digestions is rinsed well and reduced to a metal which is melted into anodes for a silver cell. This is how most refineries recover any entrapped silver.

Usually a refiner will establish an "acceptable" accountability for a refining lot and if the lot produces the accepted quantity of expected gold, the silver chlorides are not processed individually. But until the results of a refining lot are quantified and accepted by the boss, the residues from the refining lot should be kept separate in case the accountability is not met. This makes isolating and finding any missing values easier.

In any refining operation of even moderate size, there is a quantity of gold that isn't worth chasing on a lot by lot basis. With the method stated above, large "losses" can be isolated quickly and the smaller "expected" losses can be processed in due time to recover any gold lost to the silver encrustation. That produces the most cost effective use of a refiners labor and time.
 
Hi, anybody can assist me regarding gold solution?
The problem is after I put 2 spoon (10gm) SMB and I add more SMB for the next but I take a wrong chemical in to the solution (stannous chloride) after that the reaction is color of solution change to dark green and got the brown dust, so how to dissolve the matter? Thanks
 

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