Israels Treasure

[TheLamb]

God gave me Tons of High Grade Gold and Silver ore. At the Moment I've got a tempered quartz crucible filled with gold and silver metal I pulled out of the crucible after evicerating ore with an oxygen acetylene blowtorch, and the crucible is in the 1100 degree oven

It's been many many hours, and the metal has sunk two or three inches, not liquid yet. There is some ashy depleted ore and rock stuck in and to the metal in
The cup. It will evaporate given 1-3 days at 1100 celsius, beside that there's just the borax I probably shouldn't of added

And then there's this gold borax glass I've got tons of too. Not sure what to do with it, might try to melt it into a cup, heat it in the oven till it's liquid, and pour into a Pyramid mold.

Pictures related, I've only had moderate success with all of this. Getting closer every day. Baking soda helped. Charcoal culk or brickets might bring temperature up for quicker progress? Thoughts

 

[Yggdrasil]

God gave me Tons of High Grade Gold and Silver ore. At the Moment I've got a tempered quartz crucible filled with gold and silver metal I pulled out of the crucible after evicerating ore with an oxygen acetylene blowtorch, and the crucible is in the 1100 degree oven

It's been many many hours, and the metal has sunk two or three inches, not liquid yet. There is some ashy depleted ore and rock stuck in and to the metal in
The cup. It will evaporate given 1-3 days at 1100 celsius, beside that there's just the borax I probably shouldn't of added

And then there's this gold borax glass I've got tons of too. Not sure what to do with it, might try to melt it into a cup, heat it in the oven till it's liquid, and pour into a Pyramid mold.

Pictures related, I've only had moderate success with all of this. Getting closer every day. Baking soda helped. Charcoal culk or brickets might bring temperature up for quicker progress? Thoughts

Welcome.
Do you have an assay?
So far I have seen slag.
What kind of smelting procedure are you using?
Nothing I have heard of before.

Read this thread:
https://goldrefiningforum.com/threa...le-read-this-before-you-post-about-ore.33333/

 

[TheLamb]

Every photo here is from the same stockpile of material. I made Aqua Regia, lots of it, maybe 20 liters. All at home by myself, dissolving in nitric and hydrochloric, electroplating, vacuum purging, ect. Gave up got as far as big gold beads in the mold after the melt, which were destroyed in the melt by acid corrosion from not being cleaned properly. Got to brown powder, and blasted it out of the crucible all over.

I've done electrospectronomy, ten pieces of those objects I made at random out of the crucible, #1 primary element AU 2nd AG every piece. Every scan.

Once I used a charcoal crucible on uncrushed ore in a 1100 degree small furnace and black glass formed in the bottom of the crucible after hours, and a perfect silver button popped out.

The Silver bar in one of these photos formed among the pile of ore and silver roots over 1-200 years and the ore is all around 50-75-100% purity toward the higher end. I have documentation for the stockpile, source of the material, origin.

Top layers mostly silver ore with significant trace gold and sparse gold ore mixed in. Naturally.

 

[TheLamb]

Welcome.
Do you have an assay?
So far I have seen slag.
What kind of smelting procedure are you using?
Nothing I have heard of before.

Read this thread:
https://goldrefiningforum.com/threa...le-read-this-before-you-post-about-ore.33333/

 

[TheLamb]

My procedure was woah, gold and silver. Let's melt it. Okay let's try that 500 more times. Why isn't it metallic? Let's look all over the country for help. Nvm, let's build a chemistry operation. Okay let's give up and try getting help again, what about welders, oxyacetylene eviscerated the rock and the metal spilled out? Let's do that, it's dirty and mixed up, let's get an oven and clean crucibles and slow cook the metal.

I left the oven on, left the area, was unable to return for three days. The crucible was full of uncrushed fresh ore, when I came back two to three days later the ore had completely evaporated. The crucible cracked and the metal spilled through the cracks. So I started tempering the crucible and I'm trying again

But it worked with the charcoal crucible
So I've been adding occasional charcoal brickets to the smelt

 

[TheLamb]

My procedure was woah, gold and silver. Let's melt it. Okay let's try that 500 more times. Why isn't it metallic? Let's look all over the country for help. Nvm, let's build a chemistry operation. Okay let's give up and try getting help again, what about welders, oxyacetylene eviscerated the rock and the metal spilled out? Let's do that, it's dirty and mixed up, let's get an oven and clean crucibles and slow cook the metal.

I left the oven on, left the area, was unable to return for three days. The crucible was full of uncrushed fresh ore, when I came back two to three days later the ore had completely evaporated. The crucible cracked and the metal spilled through the cracks. So I started tempering the crucible and I'm trying again

But it worked with the charcoal crucible
So I've been adding occasional charcoal brickets to the smelt

 

[TheLamb]

https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/removal-of-borax-coating.16307/

I'm gonna try this too

 

[Yggdrasil]

https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/removal-of-borax-coating.16307/

I'm gonna try this too

Do not wet a crucible if it is ever going into a furnace again.

Nothing you have showed here looks like Gold to me.
Just different colored slag.
Are you talking about 1100F?
If so it is way too low.

 

[Yggdrasil]

Every photo here is from the same stockpile of material. I made Aqua Regia, lots of it, maybe 20 liters. All at home by myself, dissolving in nitric and hydrochloric, electroplating, vacuum purging, ect. Gave up got as far as big gold beads in the mold after the melt, which were destroyed in the melt by acid corrosion from not being cleaned properly. Got to brown powder, and blasted it out of the crucible all over.

I've done electrospectronomy, ten pieces of those objects I made at random out of the crucible, #1 primary element AU 2nd AG every piece. Every scan.

Once I used a charcoal crucible on uncrushed ore in a 1100 degree small furnace and black glass formed in the bottom of the crucible after hours, and a perfect silver button popped out.

The Silver bar in one of these photos formed among the pile of ore and silver roots over 1-200 years and the ore is all around 50-75-100% purity toward the higher end. I have documentation for the stockpile, source of the material, origin.

Top layers mostly silver ore with significant trace gold and sparse gold ore mixed in. Naturally.

We never premix Aqua Regia.

 

[Proffshuggarn]

https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/removal-of-borax-coating.16307/

I'm gonna try this too

Welcome
How nice that you found this page. However, I think you should "slow down" a bit.
There is no Quick Fix and from what I can gather, you don't really know exactly what materials/metals/rocks/chemicals are in the slag-like material you have?

-Where does it come from? And I don't mean from which country.
-Has the person who gave you the material told you how the material was processed before you got it?

Edit: I missed that you wrote:
@TheLamb ”I have documentation for the stockpile, source of the material, origin.”

-Can you show us the test results?

-The question is highly significant considering that you are handling the material/slag with your bare hands! A piece of well-meaning advice, wear gloves.
-And IF there are precious metals in your material, there are ways to safely and in a planned step-by-step manner recycle these, but then you must provide us with more detailed answers to the counter-questions you get from the professionals here.
-I am not one of the professionals on this page, but in this way I can give you tips on how you can get help from them.
-But it will take a lot of self-study on the subject for you, but everything you need is available here on the page. THEN you can start discussing the process.
With all good intentions
/Dennis

 

[TheLamb]

Welcome
How nice that you found this page. However, I think you should "slow down" a bit.
There is no Quick Fix and from what I can gather, you don't really know exactly what materials/metals/rocks/chemicals are in the slag-like material you have?

-Where does it come from? And I don't mean from which country.
-Has the person who gave you the material told you how the material was processed before you got it?

Edit: I missed that you wrote:
@TheLamb ”I have documentation for the stockpile, source of the material, origin.”

-Can you show us the test results?

-The question is highly significant considering that you are handling the material/slag with your bare hands! A piece of well-meaning advice, wear gloves.
-And IF there are precious metals in your material, there are ways to safely and in a planned step-by-step manner recycle these, but then you must provide us with more detailed answers to the counter-questions you get from the professionals here.
-I am not one of the professionals on this page, but in this way I can give you tips on how you can get help from them.
-But it will take a lot of self-study on the subject for you, but everything you need is available here on the page. THEN you can start discussing the process.
With all good intentions
/Dennis

I Know that it is Complex Gold and Silver ore, extremely high purity. Pro-posterous amount It comes from my property, not an organic deposite but a man made deposite. A stockpile.

Unprocessed. What I can show for test results is all the photos I've taken and the photos I'm still taking, I don't have much on hand.

Could use help. Two updates, been cooking a heavy batch of gold and silver slag/metal for days in the oven at 1100 24/7, it's nearly flat on the surface, lots of bubbles, not quite pourable. Borax in it (</3) I just threw 2 and 1/2 charcoal brickets into the crucible. Been adding 1 cricket every now and then till now.

Also, bought battery acid and pyrex, set it up on my back doorstep on a induction bunsen burner on high, left it there, checked on it 5 minutes later, entire back of the house full of sulfuric smoke, so I opened all the doors and left for an hour. Came back to find the pyrex permanently welded to the bunsen, which was filled with silver sediment on one side green dust that looks like corroded gold on the other, and red dust on bottom (had quite a bit of little iron contamination in some of my smelting, from castiron crucibles I no longer use)

You can guage purity of ore by many things. Aqua Regia will tell you how concentrated it is based off the color of the solution. You get used to reading that meter. And Ore by rock %, metal %, color, texture, form. How much metal pours out of it, how quick it melts.

Hope this works, still have some ideas. Wonder if itd help to put a lid on the crucible while in the oven?

 

[TheLamb]

Do not wet a crucible if it is ever going into a furnace again.

Nothing you have showed here looks like Gold to me.
Just different colored slag.
Are you talking about 1100F?
If so it is way too low.

1100 celsius. Not only has it passed every test ever made for it, but I've turned it into pure grain gold before multiple times in multiple ways. Picrelated of the gold slag in Aqua regia made from gold slag, being electrocuted, with a pile of grain gold collected ontop of the anode/cathode. Found out later I could've just scooped that off, it's called frothing. Might just do that again but nitric acid isn't to easy to get quick.

 

[TheLamb]

Does anyone know where I can take gold and silver ore in America? Someone like MBM who would crush up and smelt the ore with me, more like a private individual operation. I'd love to work with a company too if I could just find one that would say "give us some ore" and actually refine it. In America

 

[Yggdrasil]

Does anyone know where I can take gold and silver ore in America? Someone like MBM who would crush up and smelt the ore with me, more like a private individual operation. I'd love to work with a company too if I could just find one that would say "give us some ore" and actually refine it. In America

Get an assay.
Without it it's just rocks/slag and nobody will show interest.

 

[TheLamb]

Get an assay.
Without it it's just rocks/slag and nobody will show interest.

You would say that. Petty.

I got battery acid, 30% sulfuric from autozone and I keep 35% food grade h202 on me for home made hydro oxy chloro quinine (IC3+) so I got all my broken crucibles and pieces covered in gold slag and put them in a pyrex, added the sulfuric. A quart. And asked God if I should add h202, He said yeah, had me put about 10 drops in maybe a little more. Almost instantly to my surprise the gold began dissolving into aqua regia.

Question now is how I'm gonna precipitate and clean the powder. And how much can I make. Cooking and pouring concentrates now, gonna put ore in the oven soon too.

 

[TheLamb]

You would say that. Petty.

I got battery acid, 30% sulfuric from autozone and I keep 35% food grade h202 on me for home made hydro oxy chloro quinine (IC3+) so I got all my broken crucibles and pieces covered in gold slag and put them in a pyrex, added the sulfuric. A quart. And asked God if I should add h202, He said yeah, had me put about 10 drops in maybe a little more. Almost instantly to my surprise the gold began dissolving into aqua regia.

Question now is how I'm gonna precipitate and clean the powder. And how much can I make. Cooking and pouring concentrates now, gonna put ore in the oven soon too.

that solution is potent, I can tell by the color and quantity. Im gonna try and get it into maple syrup color and texture, so Ill be crushing and adding rhe purest slag I can manage. I think if rock gets mixed in, it might ruin the solution.

 

[TheLamb]

I've reactivated the solution like 5 times with drops of h202 and sulfuric acid. It turns clear when I add more slag because of the borax, turning into boric acid so I add PM AR.

there's so much borax glass dissolving into boric acid to neutralize the acid. 35% h202 works great. I got the whole floor covered in brown dust but it redissolved.
Gotta figure that out.

 

[Yggdrasil]

You would say that. Petty.

I got battery acid, 30% sulfuric from autozone and I keep 35% food grade h202 on me for home made hydro oxy chloro quinine (IC3+) so I got all my broken crucibles and pieces covered in gold slag and put them in a pyrex, added the sulfuric. A quart. And asked God if I should add h202, He said yeah, had me put about 10 drops in maybe a little more. Almost instantly to my surprise the gold began dissolving into aqua regia.

Question now is how I'm gonna precipitate and clean the powder. And how much can I make. Cooking and pouring concentrates now, gonna put ore in the oven soon too.

What you make from Sulfuric and Peroxide is called a Piranha solution.
It is very aggressive against organic matter like your skin and flesh.
And as you guess from the name will literally eat it away from you bones, well it will eat the bones too with a little more time.
What it will not do, is dissolve Gold.
It has NO use in refining and so dangerous that we do not use it.
So far it seem like you act like an accident waiting to happen.
So STOP this now and study first.

Edited to correct cellphone "spelling" aka thick fingers.

 

[Yggdrasil]

Let me elaborate that a bit.
Going around mixing chemicals on a whim like you have done here, are bound to end up in an accident or more.
Additionally the Piranha solution is so bad we for a long time did not even mention it by its name.
Its like the "Voldemort" of chemistry.
There are a few others in the same class but which one is the worst is hard to say.

So please do study and start with the processes generally accepted in this hobby.
When you master the basics you can progress further with knowledge and experience.

Here are the most important things to study.
Start with safety and waste treatment.

We ask our new members to do 3 things.
1. Read C.M. Hokes book on refining jewelers scrap, it gives an easy introduction to the most important chemistry regarding refining.
It is free here on the forum: https://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19798
2. Then read the safety section of the forum: https://goldrefiningforum.com/forums/safety.47/
3. And then read about "Dealing with waste" in the forum: https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/dealing-with-waste.10539/

Suggested reading:
https://goldrefiningforum.com/forums/the-library.101/
https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/when-in-doubt-cement-it-out.30236/
https://goldrefiningforum.com/threa...le-read-this-before-you-post-about-ore.33333/

Video section: https://goldrefiningforum.com/threa...our-visual-learning-members.35185/post-379931

List of abbreviations: https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/a-glossary-of-common-terms.21242/post-219169

Forum rules is here.
https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/gold-refining-forum-rules.31182/

 

[Yggdrasil]

I've reactivated the solution like 5 times with drops of h202 and sulfuric acid. It turns clear when I add more slag because of the borax, turning into boric acid so I add PM AR.

there's so much borax glass dissolving into boric acid to neutralize the acid. 35% h202 works great. I got the whole floor covered in brown dust but it redissolved.
Gotta figure that out.

What is PM AR?