keyboard mylar refining without nitric
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Acid_Bath76
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There is a post of someone actually just bypassing the whole HCL or Nitric all together. Simply melting the mylars down. Curious if putting them all in a deep crucible and melting it all down would work. I've got a nice clean stack in a box, but I would like to wait until I have enough to make it worth it.
samuel-a
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Acid_Bath76 said:
You can Pyrolyze it and make your own Diesel fuel in the process of silver recovry :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Seriously, i can't understand how in the world it will worth your while melting them down and burning all that plastic.
You could rig up some sort of dipping mechanism followed by rinsing... with nitric it's easy as you can use Al and SS as part of the rig.
dtectr
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Nope. Have you read Hoke yet?lotrogold said:
Silver is much more complicated to recover/refine than gold is. The process is exacting & requires special equipment & processes.
The reasons for solubility go far beyond "if it dissolves this it must dissolve that, too." Its chemistry/physics/metallurgy, and until you gain the most basic understanding of the processes involved, my personal recommendation is to store everything nice and neat, and begin reading Hoke.
Or do some basic searching. Everyone here who has been successful at learning different aspects of this field have done so by hours of research & study, so simply asking a question that clearly hasn't been researched & then asking for a step-by-step walkthrough, will likely not receive the most eager responses.
I haven't whipped this out for a while, so here goes:
Oh, & read Hoke.
EDIT: grammar
dtectr said:
wow!
i can understand your point of view m8, but i dont like chemistry and really dont want to learn about it. I just want help to understand "how to refine" the "Why it works" its not in my interest.
Right or wrong that's my opinion. Thanks for reply.
jimdoc
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lotrogold said:
If you are not going to learn why it works, you will have problems with making it work, and run into problems that you will not know how to solve. You will be wasting time and precious metals. Maybe you should just be a middle man if you can't be bothered with learning how it works.
Refining isn't for everybody.
Jim
If you wanted to eat a good meal yet knew nothing about how to prepare it, would you learn how to cook or just try and hope for a good meal? :|
The biggest difference in this situation would be that the flour won't explode, the milk vapors won't kill you and the batter won't eat your fingers off. You need to learn how things work, to do it right and still be healthy when you are finished.
The biggest difference in this situation would be that the flour won't explode, the milk vapors won't kill you and the batter won't eat your fingers off. You need to learn how things work, to do it right and still be healthy when you are finished.
goldenchild
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lotrogold said:
Being blunt here but... it's clear you simply don't want to put in any work. In your first post you wrote
"hi all, i have some keyboard mylar, and i have found info about refining using nitric acid. Is possible to refine them using hcl + clorox ah used for refine gold?? And if yes, can someone tell me step by step how to refine them??
Thanks"
Two of those three senctences involve chemistry. How do you suppose you will recover the silver without chemistry? This isn't mixing kool-aid. Then you want someone to use their precious time to give you step by step instructions(highly despised on this forum) all while not caring to know how it works. I think Jim's advice to just be the middleman is sound. Or maybe just pay someone to do it if you really want the silver in your hands.
acpeacemaker
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Today I'm an artist, tomorrow I think ill try heart surgery.
Geo
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i know almost nothing of chemistry. but what i do know has been trial and error, posting what you did and what the outcome was. whether you are right or wrong someone will either tell you that you have done wrong or you have done right, but to do nothing first and ask how to do it like its your right to do so and someone must comply will get you no where here fast. try first, then ask why it didnt work because if it does work theres no need to ask.
jimdoc
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I disagree. Trying first and asking questions can be deadly with acid fumes.
If you don't have a basic understanding, or will to do some homework into
what you plan to do. Then don't do it.
There is no easy money in refining. You can make it easier by flipping your
finds.
Jim
If you don't have a basic understanding, or will to do some homework into
what you plan to do. Then don't do it.
There is no easy money in refining. You can make it easier by flipping your
finds.
Jim
eeTHr
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:roll:
dtectr
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"Yesterday I couldn't spell "Professor" & today I are one!"acpeacemaker said:
Geo
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definitely, never handle chemicals without a basic understanding of the safety issues. forgive me for my assumption that this would be a universally accepted notion. i forget that people are more apt to put their finger in a light socket to see if the power is on than take the time to check if the switch is off. :roll:
acpeacemaker
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Ok, let's say you got a hold of a bunch of scrap and a bottle of nitric. You read somewhere that you at some point need to boil your nitric. Where would you boil it at? Believe it or not there has been people that did it right in their kitchen with family in the next room. Simply cause they got "gold fever" and wanted to try it.
Acid_Bath76
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It's not a laughing matter, but I couldnt help myself. There was someone who posted a rather unfortunate event somewhere on this forum.. He was heating HCL in his backyard. Dangerous stuff, worthy of precautionary measures, but not I'm the same league as nitric or hot sulfuric. Just my opinion. Anyhow, he was heating this stuff up, but didn't take into account the fog that was rolling in that morning. Yeah... You might see where this is going. Poor guy probably choked out anybody walking their pooch that morning. Know your chemicals, read, plan for worst case scenario, read some more. There is so much more to this than simply grabbing "A", mixing with "B", and getting "C". Is there a Darwin Award section on this forum? Sadly, it's only a matter of time. Some of the stuff I read, makes me wonder.
An embarrassingly true story.
Once, many years ago, I was very young, stupid, broke, and stranded, and a guy in Little Rock, AR, paid me $500 to show him how to refine karat gold. We set up on his driveway, using a Pyrex coffee pot (no lid) and a hot plate, put in some jewelry and about 400-500 mls of AR, and started it cranking. We started about 4PM and ran it very hot for several hours. We added acid when needed. When it got dark, we noticed that a fog had rolled in and you could hardly see the streetlights in the exclusive neighborhood. I finally realized that I was possibly creating the fog and shut it down. Strangely enough, the fog shortly disappeared. It's amazing how much fog you can create, with a little hot HCl, under the right weather conditions (inverse temperature gradient and high humidity, I would say). I'd bet it spread for a radius of 2 or 3 blocks. Away from the driveway, it didn't smell and I can't imagine it endangering anyone (the dilution would have been enormous), but I was sure glad the cops didn't drive by. We finished it the next day and I did get the $500.
Once, many years ago, I was very young, stupid, broke, and stranded, and a guy in Little Rock, AR, paid me $500 to show him how to refine karat gold. We set up on his driveway, using a Pyrex coffee pot (no lid) and a hot plate, put in some jewelry and about 400-500 mls of AR, and started it cranking. We started about 4PM and ran it very hot for several hours. We added acid when needed. When it got dark, we noticed that a fog had rolled in and you could hardly see the streetlights in the exclusive neighborhood. I finally realized that I was possibly creating the fog and shut it down. Strangely enough, the fog shortly disappeared. It's amazing how much fog you can create, with a little hot HCl, under the right weather conditions (inverse temperature gradient and high humidity, I would say). I'd bet it spread for a radius of 2 or 3 blocks. Away from the driveway, it didn't smell and I can't imagine it endangering anyone (the dilution would have been enormous), but I was sure glad the cops didn't drive by. We finished it the next day and I did get the $500.
