Melting down??

[Harold_V]

no high speed in ur area? that sucks, there is so much out there.

My ISP offers it, but we are too remotely located. I see no high speed in my future, and am hoping for a change in technology that may change that.

Thunderbolts of the Gods is about a new theory of the universe, they make a good argument, atribute most craters on astrel bodys to giant electric discarge(on melting topic).

Interesting concept, but one I'd have a hard time accepting. There is more than ample evidence that suggest that craters are caused by collisions with solid bodies of various types. The Spanish gent that concluded the extinction of the dinosaur by impact of a large body with earth is a good example. It is now a well documented and accepted theory.

You may have noticed by now that I'm not much on anything that goes against logic. Electrical discharge creating the type of damage one would see in huge craters would be an excellent example. Lightning strikes the earth on a regular basis, and leaves virtually no evidence aside from the occasional split tree. I can't begin to imagine the forces involved in moving millions of tons of earth.

Also i have been striping plated gold electronic components with just salt water and H-peroxide, slow but good to learn on. i was thinking i would just filter the gold clumps out and put the dryed filter right in a crucible and melt down(don't care how pure resulting metel is at this point, not rdy for AP). Is this a good idea or should i put flake aside for now?

This one creates a lot of internal turmoil for me. My objective in almost everything I do in life is to achieve excellence. I don't always succeed, but I do my best to put out quality. That doesn't mean you should share my views, so I'll let you decide which is best for you by presenting some logic.

There is a ready market for pure gold----local manufacturing jewelers are always in the market for gold of high quality.

Gold that is less than pure must be refined in order to prevent problems in casting or rolling, plus the purity must be known in order to alloy properly.

Bottom line----pure gold is far better to create than gold of questionable quality.

What you've been doing is reclaiming gold, which, in a sense, can be construed as refining in that you are concentrating values. The method you've chosen doesn't yield acceptable purity, which is why I'd suggest that at this point you are not truly refining.

Melting your spoils can complicate future processing, although even that isn't a serious issue. Gold can be poured as flakes, creating increased surface area, making dissolution for refining easier.

Your material, as recovered, is prime for further processing. It is finely divided and lends itself well to an acid wash, then dissolution by various methods, including AR. That would push your quality to acceptable levels, with a minimum of work on your behalf. The choice is yours. If you'd like to have a button of gold to hold, melt some of your spoils as they are recovered. The purity is likely to be fairly good, although below industry standard. If, on the other hand, you plan to raise the quality in the future, I'd suggest storing it as recovered, after rinsing and drying well.

Also, if filtered solution tests poz for gold is there a way to drop it other then SMB?

There are many reagents that will precipitate gold-----key is to use one that is selective--so only gold is precipitated. If you don't want to use SMB, you can use copperas (ferrous sulfate), which is generally available in garden shops. Iron sulfate, used as an iron supplement in gardens. It should be light green in color. Brown crystals are not sulfate, and don't work. An ounce of green crystals, dissolved in water with a few drops of HCl added to clarify the solution, will precipitate an ounce of gold.

does it need Urea?

Urea is not a requirement, for you can always evaporate solutions to expel nitric acid. Urea is used to avoid evaporation. Again, the choice is yours. I never used urea, and wouldn't if I was refining now.

Depending on the nature of your processing, you may not need urea or evaporation. Steve is the man than can give you advice in that regard.

Harold

 

[peter i]

I'm geting together a list of links i will post in a new thread, maybe called alternate science or som'n. I am interested in what the strong minds of this forum think and feal there is a good chance what others are working on in other feilds may aid u in your feild. Behold the great Oricle, keeper of all truth and teller of all lies.

If you do, please do it in “Bar and Grill”.

Remember, that for a new theory to gain acceptance, it must offer a better explanation than the present one and not have serious flaws. “Thunderbolts” solve no problems not already explained better by the present paradigm, raise quite a few very serious ones (unless divine intervention is accepted in physics)… and playing techno for your Coke just shows the effects of resonance, and it is a little ambitious to conclude on the creation of the universe from that experiment.

The only thing cheaper than talk is web-pages, and quite a few “misunderstood geniuses” have grasped the internet with joy.
This guy: http://www.science27.com/ has solved everything, mainly because he doesn’t understand physics and can’t do the elemental math. (Don’t mail him! Any forum showing interest, he will harass with vigour. People use a month to tell him why he is wrong, then he changes to a new forum, repeating the same story. Just got rid of him on another forum)
But the problem is, that the page looks very nice!
In the old days, a good layout and a big book normally equalled quality (because a publisher dared risk his money on it) Good web-design is no assurance of quality.

Sorry, that was OT, just don’t believe everything you see on the ‘net.
We are talking metals here, not paranormality.

 

[Arcani]

dear peter

If you do, please do it in “Bar and Grill”.

check

Remember, that for a new theory to gain acceptance, it must offer a better explanation than the present one and not have serious flaws.

the sceintists that are in the docu 'thunderbolts of the gods' do a better job of explaining then me, u can watch it free on google video or you tube. It origanaly aired on BBC i think, and is interesting.

Coke just shows the effects of resonance, and it is a little ambitious to conclude on the creation of the universe from that experiment.

again the vid ties that in better. It was just a low tech thing i could try easy, i found it interesting.

Sorry, that was OT, just don’t believe everything you see on the ‘net.
We are talking metals here, not paranormality.

Behold the great Oricle, keeper of all truth and teller of all lies

and Harlod

you don't want to use SMB, you can use copperas (ferrous sulfate), which is generally available in garden shops. Iron sulfate, used as an iron supplement in gardens. It should be light green in color. Brown crystals are not sulfate, and don't work. An ounce of green crystals, dissolved in water with a few drops of HCl added to clarify the solution, will precipitate an ounce of gold.

perfect, thanks. I just want to take baby steps with the chems(hence the salt water/H peroxide soak) i will just shelf eny buttons and make shot at a later date(i add some mexican silver to the soak to try and help inquart)
i'm a hands on learner i guess :roll:


Thank u both for your help. I don't plan to spam your site to sell crackpot ideas, just post links to free vids i think could help others in there refining. people can watch, or not. Thinking it's all figured out and written in stone is, historicly, non-condusive to technological advancement. Just because there are loonies out there does'n mean enything not in ur grade 8 text book is blasfimy. A good rule of thumb; if they want money, most likely scam, if it's freely offered and gets good reviews on more then one sci/techo forum by learned people, maybe u watch. There is, as to my way of thinking, no reason not to try someth'n that has not bine try'd before(if it cost nothing but time and safty consideration)

I need to play about the way i do to fully grasp these methods. Reading alone just does'n work for me. Thank u for all the carrot and stick time u put in aiding me in this persuite. Again, the plate spriping is for fun, if i want to make money i will try and find some cheap karat jewlery(long call list for monday lol)

 

[Harold_V]

i add some mexican silver to the soak to try and help inquart

Inquartation is used when parting karat gold. That's well discussed in Hoke's book as well.

It's not clear where or why you included the Mexican silver, but be advised that it is fairly common for silver items made in Mexico to be made of German silver, which contains no silver at all----yet it still might be marked Sterling.

If you have doubts, Schwerters testing solution will remove them, as will a test with nitric acid. It reacts totally differently with silver than it does with white copper or nickel alloys.

Harold

 

[Arcani]

It's not clear where or why you included the Mexican silver, but be advised that it is fairly common for silver items made in Mexico to be made of German silver, which contains no silver at all----yet it still might be marked Sterling.

got it out, was in about 10 hours and did not seem to work as well as the gold. there will also be alot of contamintion as more patch's of the base metel can be seen now and will be disolved as well(i think).working on juice'n it up with 6V at 5A with SS positive and Lead negitive see if that helps speed things along

 

[Anonymous]

hae guys im a newbe just signed up today
awsum site.

I found somthing on the net that is worth a look at.

It is refining through Electrolisis....

get your melted down curciut bords and metals.
pour into a sheet (or roughly flat blob)
get positive wire and attach to your blob
next get negitive wire and attach to copper sheeting
get a large plastic container and fill almost to the top with water
add salt to the mix ( a lot of salt)
then plugg in the ADAPTER that is giveing you the positive and negitive wire leave for (i dont know how long)

this will take the copper from the blob and coat it on the copper sheeting.

Chang the water

remove the copper sheeting and replace with steel (dont know if the grade maters) this will attract the silver which will form in crystals on the steel. once the crystals finish forming remove the steel and your blob.

what is left behind on your blob is (theoreticolay ) pure gold.

this only works if the alloy mix is copper silver and gold because that is the only elements that get separated E.I.( it will sitll work with other metals but i dont konw what will attract them away from the blob)

havent tryied it yet but will do soon

if you have tryed it or are going to please tell me about it or correct me if im wrong am just a beginer lol


blades of steel

 

[Rag and Bone]

"havent tryied it yet but will do soon"

Right. Good luck with that.

 

[Harold_V]

It is refining through Electrolisis....

Let me be the first to recommend you take a look at Hoke's book.

Harold

 

[DarkspARCS]

It is refining through Electrolisis....

Let me be the first to recommend you take a look at Hoke's book.

Harold

lol, Harold, I can honestly say that you have definitively changed in your approach to new comers to these forums over the years my friend. Here this thread is already on page two and I'm reading this dialogue while the whole time wondering what was so special about the guy who started it, that Harold is actually finding patience in discussion on typically outlandish items... Where as most of us have at one time early within our journeys upon these threads been told by You almost immediately to "READ HOKE'S BOOK!" ... which has been the tried and true method those of us here learned our lessons by. Bottom line: why do something questionable when time proven methods have established a process of success?

I suppose the answer to that question is pretty obvious. the majority of those on this forum have higher IQ's than most and it's within our nature to provide an alternative to an already extended process that would provide an easier way. Couple that with the industry's notable need to make a name for itself to individualize immortality, it's truly a wonder that Houston even got the rocket off the ground (speaking of which I need to figure out a way to get some of that scrap to work with lmbo!!)