Pentium pro processing

[moshik3]

thanks for the inputs.

don't get me wrong, im not telling shor is working good, i haven't tried yet...
but i won't realize shor is awful just because some of you say 'this is how it is'...

what problems may i encounter \ you had encounter with the shor kit ?
the shor kit is just chemical, actually just the subzero which is replacing the nitric acid,
if this chemical is not working well, i can just use nitric acid instead... and here you go, not using the shor stuff....

 

[Palladium]

thanks for the inputs.

don't get me wrong, im not telling shor is working good, i haven't tried yet...
but i won't realize shor is awful just because some of you say 'this is how it is'...

what problems may i encounter \ you had encounter with the shor kit ?
the shor kit is just chemical, actually just the subzero which is replacing the nitric acid,
if this chemical is not working well, i can just use nitric acid instead... and here you go, not using the shor stuff....

Let us know how that works out for you. Better yet don't let us know because if your not willing to listen now then don't ask for help with the mess later.

 

[samuel-a]

thanks for the inputs.

don't get me wrong, im not telling shor is working good, i haven't tried yet...
but i won't realize shor is awful just because some of you say 'this is how it is'...

what problems may i encounter \ you had encounter with the shor kit ?
the shor kit is just chemical, actually just the subzero which is replacing the nitric acid,
if this chemical is not working well, i can just use nitric acid instead... and here you go, not using the shor stuff....

The main problem is not the kit or the chemicals...
It is in the processes suggested by shor... If you are gonna dissolve a whole bunch of metals in AR, you better know what it is that you are doing and how to deal with that...

btw

Actually it takes 4 times more nitric to dissolve copper then it takes to dissolve silver

It takes exactly 3.39 more nitric do dissolve Cu then it is to dissolve Ag.
(Ag - 107.86 atomic weight, Cu - 63.54 atomic weight, Ag(NO3), Cu(NO3)2, NO3^- - 62 g/mol )

 

[Claudie]

thanks for the inputs.

don't get me wrong, im not telling shor is working good, i haven't tried yet...
but i won't realize shor is awful just because some of you say 'this is how it is'...

what problems may i encounter \ you had encounter with the shor kit ?
the shor kit is just chemical, actually just the subzero which is replacing the nitric acid,
if this chemical is not working well, i can just use nitric acid instead... and here you go, not using the shor stuff....

Since you seem set on trying shor out for yourself, you should at least read some of the MSDS data on the chemicals you are using. Practice safety, sometimes you don't get a second chance. Always work with a fume hood or outdoors, NEVER do this inside your home. Get some safety goggles and remember, filter masks and respirators are useless with Nitric acid. Be safe. :|

 

[moshik3]

thanks samuel for the CONSTRUCTIVE REPLY. toda !

i can understand that you mean that dissolving the jewelery directly in AR will 'overload' it.

if so, can dissolving scrap CPU and fingers be done as the shor instructions says ?


another question -
after inquarting the jewelry, and dissolving base metals in nitric,
can i process the gold sponges left with the process that shor proposes ?

how do i get my silver out of the nitric acid ?

 

[Palladium]

Maybe you don't understand. Nobody here works for shor. we can't give advice about a product we do not produce, but we can give advice about the process used for correct recovery. That answer has been don't do it, but you seem to think shor has the answers. Try calling this number and ask them theses questions. (973) 520-8779

You get the silver by cementing with copper.

 

[trashmaster]

I think that you need to contact SHOR with your questions ;;; and see how much help you get from them .. :roll: :twisted:

 

[moshik3]

stop to be mad at me,
as i wrote i'm not shor-pro or something.
just trying to figure out WHY.

seems like everyone of you knows WHY NOT to use shor.
cool.
im not arguing about it, as i have never tried either way.
but i am asking WHY.
may i ?

can you please expand on cementing with copper ? or a link for a tutorial ?
thanks a lot for the constructive replies

 

[nickvc]

Moshik3 we aren't mad at you but want you to stop and try and understand the basics of all the ideas for processing you have. I'm sure the Shor system will work but if you have problems they will just shrug their shoulders and suggest further high priced chemicals or go quiet . Do your homework and you can use what you like because you will know what to expect and if problems arise you will also know how to correct them. The Shor system is usually purchased by those looking for a one stop system that you just plug in and go... But refining just isn't like that it's a very complex and at times frustrating branch of chemistry that we all here are learning more about daily.

 

[Palladium]

I'm not mad at you, nor was i trying to be an "A" hole. If you want to learn refining there are two ways. One is here on this forum using chemicals and processes that have been perfected and reproduced 1,000's of times with the desired results. The other is with Shor's chemicals which are secret and have failed more people than i can count which usually leads to the reader landing here on the forum. You don't have to know why a process doesn’t work; you only have to know that it doesn't sometimes. You’re going to have to pick one or the other, but you can't go both ways.

 

[Palladium]

can you please expand on cementing with copper ? or a link for a tutorial ?

This has nothing to do with processing chips but tells a little about inquarting and cementing silver.

http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=8887&p=83953&hilit=inquarting+gold+cementing+silver#p83948

 

[Palladium]

Try Sam's website also. http://www.goldnscrap.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=67:refining-karat-gold-and-silver-jewelry-using-inquarting-method-part-1&catid=25:scrap-gold-9k-24k&Itemid=20

http://www.goldnscrap.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=73:refining-karat-gold-and-silver-jewelry-using-inquarting-method-part-2&catid=25:scrap-gold-9k-24k&Itemid=20

 

[Harold_V]

I get the impression that this individual has come here for advice, but doesn't like what he's hearing, so he's inclined to kill the messenger.

I've had a serious amount of experience with situations such as this. Happens often where machining is concerned, where a reader has a preconceived notion about what he expects, and then seeks those that will agree. That's not happening here, and for good reason, so he's not thrilled with the responses he's receiving. It's not unusual for a person to react that way, for they won't have their thoughts taken from them. What he really wants to hear is that he's made a good choice and everything is going to work out exactly as he expects.

There's no better way for him to make a determination as to whether that's true, or not, than to give him free rein. Should he succeed, he'll think we're all nuts. He might remain happy until he discovers he's paying ten times more for chemicals than they're worth, strictly because trick names have been applied to them, keeping him in the dark so he can't circumvent buying from Shor. I fully expect that will happen, although he may just get discouraged enough to abandon his quest.

Many that have come to this forum have done so because they have had negative experiences with the Shor system. To add insult to injury, when they turned to Shor for advice or support, it was not forthcoming. That is a lesson that likely won't be learned by this individual until it happens to him. Mean time, we're all wasting our time trying to rationalize with someone that doesn't want to hear anything except what they want to hear.

It is my suggestion that this individual be left alone. Let him use the system and have his own experiences. He'll be back soon enough, tail between his legs.

Harold

 

[moshik3]

this is wrong. i am WILLING to get convinced \ accept opinions,
this is why i'm here.

BUT
i want to get the whole picture to make the best decision.

shor isn't good.
WHY shor isnt good ?
shor takes LONGER TIME to dissolve ?
shor doesn't dissolve ALL gold and therefore i am losing gold ?
shor is just more expensive chemicals ?
etc...
so far i got replies like 'it's not good'. 'you will regret'... etc

some believe the shor chemicals are good, but the method they suggest is not.
some of you say their chemicals will make a mess and then i will have to call for assistance...

i like very much the DIY style of this forum, don't get me wrong.
buy the chemicals yourself, check, test, find out, share etc..
i am just at the very beginning and have to choose my way, at least for the 1ST refining...

so as a conclusion:
shor is OK for refining CPU's and electronics (WHICH DONT NEED INQUARTING) ?
or even that will be much better (FOR SOME REASON) with traditional Aqua regia (nitric acid+HCl) ?

 

[samuel-a]

Moshik

As far as i know, subzero is sodium or potassium nitrate, so in any case you will be making Aqua regia... shor did not invented any new wheel

I know you are egure for hands on experience, but take the time to read here on the forum, steve's site and my own...
Most of what you need to know is already written, take a week or two to research, each type of scrap you have need's different process...
Some may need the same process, but you need to understand thje dynamics...

All i can say is, read read read... it's all here, guaranteed.

 

[publius]

moshik3,

Although some of the members that have replied to you here have been harsh and rude, they mean well. They want you to be safe and knowledgeable. The members here have experience with wet chemistry and "know" that there is no one-size-fits-all machine or solution. They feel (very strongly) that this iShor system (and others like it) is just another way to separate you from your gold! So, they don't want you to be ripped off!

To use these "systems" that are very specific in their function will not help you understand the chemistry IF something goes wrong. And you may be loosing out on other valuable metals in the process.

I am in about the same position as you are, except that I stopped refining and recovering gold and silver 15 years ago. Now the internet has brought to me the gift of this forum. I have learned that there are several different ways to do what I need to do to get gold from electronic scrap. I know you are eager to get started, as am I. But, please take the time to learn so you will not hurt yourself, the environment and maybe make a lot of money!

Robert

 

[kurt]

moshik3
I have been following this thread of discussion & it is clear to me that you have time invested in gathering up stuff to recover & refine precious metals from. You have also invested some money in buying the shor subzero kit & so now you would naturally like to get down to recovering &/or refining the PMs (precious metals) so you can see a return on your investment of time & money.

But the TRUTH is – recovering &/or refining PMs “IS NOT” as easy as – buy a kit that provides a few chemicals with instructions “limited” to the use of those particular chemicals & the kit & you are then on your way to making money from recovering & refining PMs. --- Sorry but its just not that easy.
The other “truth” is that recovering & refining PMs “is not” a – ask a few simple questions – get a few simple answers – and I am on my way to getting rich quick & easy kind of thing. --- There is NO one size fits all here --- (which is what shor would like you to believe)

You NEED to learn about base metal & how different chemicals react with different base metals or you are going to have problems. You NEED to learn about PMs & how different chemicals react with different PMs. You NEED to learn how chemicals react with each other. You NEED to learn about making solutions, whats being made & how to treat them to get the end desired result ---And that is just the beginning because after you spend MUCH time studying & learning about these things you will spend even more time learning by experimental trial & error in applying the above mentioned studied learning.

The best place to start is by reading Hokes – which you can get as a free down load on this forum – here is the link - Refining Precious Metal Wastes C.M. Hoke http://tinyurl.com/mfnyhs
The other best thing you can do is spend LOTS of time searching & reading info provided on this forum.

The order to success of recovering & refining PMs is as follows --- (1) read, Read, READ (Hokes & this forum) (2) study, Study, STUDY (Hokes & this forum) (3)experiment, read & study (4) then ask questions, experiment, read & study (5) start recovering/refining, ask questions, experiment, read & study.
Anything less then that will lead to disappointment!!!
Kurt

 

[Geo]

from what i understand,shor will tell you that you can only use their reagents for their process.this ties you to shor at the wallet because instead of using the true name of the chemicals that they supply in an attempt to keep you from obtaining chemicals elsewhere.they give directions on the process in their terms instead of explaining the reactions in an attempt to keep the costumer in the dark so that if there is a question or problem "you" the costumer will have to pay for costumer support.the process used on the shor system is a process used widely on the forum that we call "poor man's AR" and as many here have tried to explain AR (aqua regia) should not be used to reclaim gold but to refine gold,shor does not explain this because they get paid for costumer support when the costumer "you" use the system in a way thats not recomended by them.if they recomend that you use their system on Escrap that still has the base metal then this should be considered fraud.

 

[moshik3]

so you could say that aqua regia is just to refine almost pure gold to very pure gold ?

therefore you need to inquart jewelry, dissolve base metals and silver and get rid of them...
and only THEN when you have almost only gold, refine it
right ?

 

[philddreamer]

That's correct Moshik!

Now, you don't get "rid" of the base metals, you just separate them from the gold. You'll recover the silver & other precious metals in following processes.

You are starting to understand... good!

Take care!

Phil