Pentium pro processing

[nickvc]

Moshik there's people on this forum who can refine just about anything to fine gold in one hit but it takes experience and a lot of knowledge to do that.....
Were trying to be straight with you....do your homework and you will see exactly what were trying to tell you..
There's no way a newbie is going to get it all right first or hundredth time...knowledge and experience are worth there literal weight in gold.

 

[vango57]

Moshik,
I agree with what all everyone has recommended to you. I became a member Christmas of 2010, had already purchase the shor subzero kit. I would like to thank you because I have learned that the subzero may be my source for AR. If anyone can add to this thread as to the most usefulness of the material in a subzero kit I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks again Mosh and no I have yet to even try to refine anything and I have a ton of cut fingers and IC's.
Vango

 

[Harold_V]

so you could say that aqua regia is just to refine almost pure gold to very pure gold ?

Even that isn't true in all cases. There are circumstances where the use of AR may be required to deal with base metals. That's part of the problem. There is no "one size fits all" where refining is concerned. As you gain knowledge, you'll come to understand what works, and why---and where it's best not applied, or where it may be the best possible avenue to explore. These are the things that you must learn by reading and understanding---you can't learn them by asking questions because the answers don't make any sense to you----because you lack the fundamentals. Read Hoke, and continue to read Hoke until what she says makes sense to you. At that point you'll have a basic understanding.

I also recommend (HIGHLY) that you perform the tests she outlines, and that you prepare the required solutions. They aren't something you'll use once and then never need them again---they are support solutions that permit you to make determinations----determinations that will define how you process materials, and what you can expect to recover. They are very much a part of anyone's lab setup---just like your eyes are for sight--so too are these solutions your "eye sight".

There is no shortcut. You either learn the basics, or you won't succeed.

When you understand the basics, whether you can justify the Shor system, or not, will become obvious. Could be that will be your choice. Stranger things have happened.

Harold

 

[jimmydolittle]

vango57, I just went to Shor’s site. A Sub Zero kit costs $55.00+ shipping. The same materials in the kit can be purchased locally for much less, and do the same job. Maybe you have a loyalty to Shor, but for me, I like keeping as much of my income in my own pocket.

When I made this post this morning, I was way off base. I had not read through the whole thread. Sorry.

 

[tek4g63]

Moshik,
I am very new to this Hobby and this forum and like you I purchased the Shor kit before I found this community. Lucky for me I didn't use the product before I found GRF.

Here is my small experiance with using the Shor kit.
I tested it on a small amount of gold plated pins. Base metal is copper with, of course, a thin nickel plating between the gold and copper. The Subzero and Muratic mix did disolve the wholebatch, gold and all. It did not take very long twith the small lot of pins I used (60). Problem I have run into is that the Urea did not "fizz" like they said and I had to sort of guess how much to put in. Then when I used the Storm (SMB) the once nice emrald green liquid turned white cloudy not brown. What fell to the bottom first was white powder later followed by brownish black powder. (By later I mean days later). When I went to wash this powder it all got caught back up in the HCL and went through my filter. And that's where it sits to this day, a dark brown/yellow mess, untill I get ready to try something different.

So I say stick to AP fo things like pins and fingers, never throw whole PCB's into any batch, and above all LEARN. You have a great chance for success now that you have come to the right place.

 

[goaldspektre]

Listen to Harold and others on here when they say don't try to re-invent the wheel.I tried a few times with scrap comp parts and it didn't work.It did with karat jewelry though!Buying an expensive machine makes no sense when you can buy 5 gallon buckets for dissolving and glassware for refining.

 

[Jamessnipes505]

Hello all I am new to refining and this forum. I have come here for help because all of the info I first saw online made it seem so simple to recover e scrap ha! Well my first two attempts turned out to be a success yet yielded less than I had hoped. I am learning I need to read ALOT more before I start a new solution. My first question is how can I drop all metals out of the multiple buckets full of solution? I thought I could do a large amount and everything would be fine. I processed a about a hundred processors and it dissolved almost everything. I kept adding and experimenting until I ended up with about thirty gallons of all sorts of different colors and settlements. Some white some won't settle some brown that won't settle and dissolves if boiled in Hcl a lot of black and a few that looks like the brown should after smb but will never settle. I read I could add aluminum foil to drop everything but I am very worried about pouring out any of these solution. Ph is relatively high on most about six or seven but still frizzed when urea is added. I have been filtering the mess in my buckets but it seems some more always appears. I'm very lost! Is there a simple way to precipitate base metals and all to just start over fresh? Will too much nitric destroy gold? I have learned I used way too much at first. Even my last batch of pentium pro processors I used proper amounts and I got no return. Started out nice green ended up red and now brown but will not settle. Bad smb? Something weird in my tap water? Please any advise would be greatly appreciated!
James

 

[Harold_V]

Please any advise would be greatly appreciated!

You won't like it.

Read Hoke. When you've finished, read Hoke again. Do that until you understand what you've read.

Have you tested your solutions with stannous chloride?

Don't do ANYTHING until you have. The idea of cementing and starting over is insane. There are better ways.

Read Hoke. Be enlightened.

Harold

 

[etack]

Read Hoke. Be enlightened.


You should put this in your signature line. :lol:

That could be a tee shirt. 8)

Eric

 

[Harold_V]

Read Hoke. Be enlightened.

You should put this in your signature line. :lol:

Eric

If I didn't like the one I use as well as I do, I'd certainly do so! :lol: As it is, the one I use speaks volumes about the stupidity of humans.

Why is it that the guy who knows the least is the first to offer advice? Does he not understand that he should be asking questions, not providing answers? :roll:

Harold

 

[Palladium]

30 gallons for 100 processors? :shock:
Did i read that right?