That sounds interesting and I'll look into it. I did research testing ores on this forum and felt the amount of toxic material and associated equipment far exceeded my appetite. Trying to get away from dealing with hazardous material best I can... not expand it. Now, a torch and charcoal.... heck, that sounds fun ; )
REDNECK ORE SAMPLING
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No more ore samples into solution this weekend, sorry. Will get into creek next weekend and grab:
1 - Red/black sandstone
2 - White calcite'ish ore
... had to work a treeline that is invading pasture... gotta hit my 30 massive brushpile per winter quota if I'm to stay on track for cleaning the place up before I'm 90. Some cool rock exposures in the trees on the hill. Probably just limestone outcroppings but I'll take some pics to see what ya'll think in the near future. Gotta be gold in that there limestone !! Tons of it.. METRIC TONS... of gold... Gold... GOLD !!! fun ; )
1 - Red/black sandstone
2 - White calcite'ish ore
... had to work a treeline that is invading pasture... gotta hit my 30 massive brushpile per winter quota if I'm to stay on track for cleaning the place up before I'm 90. Some cool rock exposures in the trees on the hill. Probably just limestone outcroppings but I'll take some pics to see what ya'll think in the near future. Gotta be gold in that there limestone !! Tons of it.. METRIC TONS... of gold... Gold... GOLD !!! fun ; )
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So instead of interrogating me, you should divert your time and energy to reading and then practicing proper waste treatment and disposal.
Makes sense, thanks for the insight.. Interrogation complete ; )...... Now, back to the salt mine !!
Educate yourself, your assumptions just show your lack of understanding or knowledge on these subjects.
Assumptions will not keep you safe or keep you from poisoning others, spending your time educating yourself, with a little less time attempting at convincing others to agree with your wrong assumptions, will help to keep you and others safer.
Assumptions will not keep you safe or keep you from poisoning others, spending your time educating yourself, with a little less time attempting at convincing others to agree with your wrong assumptions, will help to keep you and others safer.
Yeah, I don't know what that means. Why would I post questions if I had made a conclusive assumption ? ... and why would I waste my time trying to attempt convince others that know more than me to agree with me ? Got a 60 hr a week job, and a Cattle farm to take care of in my spare time., family to play with and take care of, young'ens to mentor., etc...
I think you assumptions of my intent are incorrect... and you should read "Introduction to answering a simple question, if you know the answer." by Charlie T. Brown ; )
"don't call me stupid !" (good ol' movie) fun.
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I have never heard of Gold occurring in Limestone, other then the Carlin trend types of deposits. While these are some of the largest deposits in North America, they are low grade, with the Gold dispersed throughout the limestone, but in such small ( sometimes single atoms, some within bunches of atoms ), but you will never see, or recover economically with acids.The Carlin deposits were identified by having a fire assay performed. If you are remotely interested in finding wether you may have something, GET IT FIRE ASSAYED ! Did I shout that loud enough, or will I have to write it in bigger caps and print size?
Still moving along with the Ore sample (not be too distracted by sideline discussions). Update, the AR solution is reddish orange. I will probably filter tomorrow after some 1.5-2 days in solution.
Q/A thread summary (mine only with only worthwhile sideline notations).
* RAW & CRUSHED ORE *
Q1 - Can you identify the potential Ore type and potential for it holding precious metals ?
A1 - GoldShark - likely Iron mineral, get an assay
Q1 - Do iron minerals have potential to value to justify an assay ?
A1 - Goldshark (ref. thread)
A2 - SRM - likely iron mineral
A3 - Eshane211 - Maybe some Pt / Pd
Note added to Ehsane211 (side line)
R1 - Yggdrasil - Pd - deep maroon to brown / Pt - Reddish orange
R2 - Yggdrasil - don't put any unknown ore in acid
R3 - Yggdrasil - get an assay
R4 - Yggdrasil - read Hokes book
R5 - Yggdrasil - Read Forum
R6 - Yggdrasil - Iron salt is most likely outcome
R7 - Yggdrasil - Stanus test if your still alive (haha, nice)
Q2 - Can you identify the orange substance in the microscopic image ? (unanswered)
Q3 - Can you tell if the gold residue mixed with the brown goo precipitate could or is gold, or likely to be gold ? (unanswered)
Q4 - next step post crush ? (unanswered)
Q5 - Should I roast ?
A1 - Goldshark (ref. thread)
Q6 - What is proper PPE ?
A1 - Goldshark (ref. thread)
Q7 - Effect of over roasting
A1 - Goldshark & SRM (ref. thread)
* POST ROAST *
Q1 - Next steps ?
A1 - Goldshark (ref. thread)
Q2 - How to tell if the roast was not hot enough ?
A1 - Goldshark (ref. thread)
* HCL bath *
Q1 - Does color type provide clues to metal content ? (unanswered)
Q2 - How long to leave in HCL bath in 30-50 deg. F ? (unanswered)
* AR bath *
Q1 - Does the color indicate potential metal type ?
A1 - Yggdrasil - partially answered in reply to Ehsane211
* Waste *
Q1 - Are the pre-existing toxins in an ore left in state in nature as dangerous as the toxins they create when processed via AR assay ?
A1 - Yggdrasil - No. Toxins processed via AR assay much more readily digested into the human body.
I want to thank those of you who contributed your time and energy into contributing to the intended content of this thread, as well as throwing flags and blowing whistles when you felt appropriate. Good stuff.
Comments are always welcome.
They are best directed at ideas, not people.
Understand that if people are posting in this forum, it is with the intent to educate themselves... so no need to tell them to educate themselves while they are in the act doing exactly that. It's like telling a fat person in the gym on a treadmill that they should exercise... trust me, they know they are fat, get it?
Cheers !
Q/A thread summary (mine only with only worthwhile sideline notations).
* RAW & CRUSHED ORE *
Q1 - Can you identify the potential Ore type and potential for it holding precious metals ?
A1 - GoldShark - likely Iron mineral, get an assay
Q1 - Do iron minerals have potential to value to justify an assay ?
A1 - Goldshark (ref. thread)
A2 - SRM - likely iron mineral
A3 - Eshane211 - Maybe some Pt / Pd
Note added to Ehsane211 (side line)
R1 - Yggdrasil - Pd - deep maroon to brown / Pt - Reddish orange
R2 - Yggdrasil - don't put any unknown ore in acid
R3 - Yggdrasil - get an assay
R4 - Yggdrasil - read Hokes book
R5 - Yggdrasil - Read Forum
R6 - Yggdrasil - Iron salt is most likely outcome
R7 - Yggdrasil - Stanus test if your still alive (haha, nice)
Q2 - Can you identify the orange substance in the microscopic image ? (unanswered)
Q3 - Can you tell if the gold residue mixed with the brown goo precipitate could or is gold, or likely to be gold ? (unanswered)
Q4 - next step post crush ? (unanswered)
Q5 - Should I roast ?
A1 - Goldshark (ref. thread)
Q6 - What is proper PPE ?
A1 - Goldshark (ref. thread)
Q7 - Effect of over roasting
A1 - Goldshark & SRM (ref. thread)
* POST ROAST *
Q1 - Next steps ?
A1 - Goldshark (ref. thread)
Q2 - How to tell if the roast was not hot enough ?
A1 - Goldshark (ref. thread)
* HCL bath *
Q1 - Does color type provide clues to metal content ? (unanswered)
Q2 - How long to leave in HCL bath in 30-50 deg. F ? (unanswered)
* AR bath *
Q1 - Does the color indicate potential metal type ?
A1 - Yggdrasil - partially answered in reply to Ehsane211
* Waste *
Q1 - Are the pre-existing toxins in an ore left in state in nature as dangerous as the toxins they create when processed via AR assay ?
A1 - Yggdrasil - No. Toxins processed via AR assay much more readily digested into the human body.
I want to thank those of you who contributed your time and energy into contributing to the intended content of this thread, as well as throwing flags and blowing whistles when you felt appropriate. Good stuff.
Comments are always welcome.
They are best directed at ideas, not people.
Understand that if people are posting in this forum, it is with the intent to educate themselves... so no need to tell them to educate themselves while they are in the act doing exactly that. It's like telling a fat person in the gym on a treadmill that they should exercise... trust me, they know they are fat, get it?
Cheers !
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Belly laughed.. good stuff. OK.. Ok... ok (meow), (Uncle)....... I'm a redneck, so I'll be danged if I don't finish what I started here and follow through with the 6 or so ore types, with pics, etc.. in similar format as this thread until I'm done. (or dead)
NOW, at that point.... if anyone on this thread tells me that they saw, or might have seen, a whisp of potential precious metals....
..... or they say they think they smelled a hint of golden laced fart from any of the ore types....
...... then I will send as many or as much of that ore type to the fire assy'ist of your recommendation.... and will start a new thread: REDNECK FIRE ASSAY #1 , etc. ; ) deal ?
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Carline Trend Types of deposit
Geology type
'Carlin-type' carbonate-hosted stratabound disseminated gold depotitsMineral type
Oxide ores overlying refractory sulphidesFrom the stump I stand on....
While Middle TN is known for metal production, those metals are primarily zinc and smaller amounts of lead. Cadmium is a known associate of zinc and you wouldn't want you or your family to be exposed to the fumes of lead, zinc or cadmium without respiratory protection.
You have a celebrated neighbor that does not like metal production that doesn't pay royalties to him and he can bring federal scrutiny with a phone call. The area is not known for gold, silver or PGMs. That doesn't mean they aren't present, but they are lottery-winning rare at the least.
While I applaud your curiosity, most of the advice has been provided to temper expectations or to keep you and yours safe. My guess is that you know people that work at Gordonsville. You might see if someone from the mill can provide information on the elements that they have seen or if the geologists can ID the rocks for you. And the safety department at the smelter NW of Nashville might provide some safety tips and protocols.
Most of what you have done to date has been low-risk because you have limited exposure and small samples. But history is replete with dangers of metal fumes and exposure. Google "mad-as-a-hatter", Galvie flu or cadmium blues to name a few.
What I am asking is for you to stay safe, stay curious and please ask questions.
Again, my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it.
While Middle TN is known for metal production, those metals are primarily zinc and smaller amounts of lead. Cadmium is a known associate of zinc and you wouldn't want you or your family to be exposed to the fumes of lead, zinc or cadmium without respiratory protection.
You have a celebrated neighbor that does not like metal production that doesn't pay royalties to him and he can bring federal scrutiny with a phone call. The area is not known for gold, silver or PGMs. That doesn't mean they aren't present, but they are lottery-winning rare at the least.
While I applaud your curiosity, most of the advice has been provided to temper expectations or to keep you and yours safe. My guess is that you know people that work at Gordonsville. You might see if someone from the mill can provide information on the elements that they have seen or if the geologists can ID the rocks for you. And the safety department at the smelter NW of Nashville might provide some safety tips and protocols.
Most of what you have done to date has been low-risk because you have limited exposure and small samples. But history is replete with dangers of metal fumes and exposure. Google "mad-as-a-hatter", Galvie flu or cadmium blues to name a few.
What I am asking is for you to stay safe, stay curious and please ask questions.
Again, my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it.
You know the area well brother SRM, and refreshing to hear someone pen ink on forum like we talk. <Barf> Yeah, you nailed it above, neighbor by land holdings only... I think lives in Europe or Cali-porno mostly.. chilling with globalists and raking in Carbon tax processing fees. He lost TN in election, badly... tells ya what we think of him 'round here. I am keen to issues with "mass" processing or production of anything around here.. as well as waste disposal... folks don't like it and for good reason. This areas most valuable ore is the ocean of fresh water under our feet.... piss in it, and get called out for it, and I would worry about the folks around here far more than the feds. Anyway, story time......old man sunk a few Nat Gas wells into ground back in 80s and hit nicely. Lil' Ky outfit did it and split 50/50.... cash register rang until neighbor a mile away started seeing stuff in same creek I've imaged in thread, his cows didn't like it.... gas wells ended abruptly, no feds, nuff' said. Me and that neighbors son are now good friends, drink a cold one on weekends here and there after a long hard day on farm working... good stories of wild old men in more free and self governing times. You strike me as such. good stuff.. fun.
Hey I believe your color is indicating PGMs. If you're on the farm ammonium chloride should be hopefully easy for you to get. I get it at a feed store I believe its used as a sheep and goat supplement and pretty inexpensive. I haven't been able to get confirmation that I'm producing PGM salts with this process but results look promising Something else I just discovered I'm going to attempt a vitamin c precip. As far as soaking time goes I'm not sure on how long but id imagine until the acid has been depleted I had filtered what I had and then did another fresh HCL soak on the material.
Once again mate, there are nothing in there that indicate PGMs nor Gold so far.
The least could do is produce some pictures of proper Stannous tests on white paper or cotton buds.
The latest pictures seem like rust, Iron oxides.
Can you please enlighten me, why and how you are using Ammonium Chloride and what you expect to accomplish with it?
What do you do to the solution before you add the Ammonium Chloride?
Next you do know that PGM sdalts are very toxic and they are accumulative?
Actually so much that many members refuse to refine PGMs.
** AR filtered **
Ran out to garage at lunch, opened doors and let tail gate of truck down. Excited, fun, feels like Christmas !! Took sample in mason jar, a fresh mason jar, filter, and two coffee filters... and dumped er' in there. Appears to have made TN Iced Tea.. who'd have thought the old timers drank so much sweet tea it's gotten into the rocks !! Probably around 20-40 ml filtered solution. Then I added 1 tsp Sulfamic (grout cleaner variety) to 400ml of water and dissolved. Then added half, 200ml to the solution to denox. Leaving outside for a day in around 55 deg. F. weather..and windy !! A bit of rain tonight, so will get a few drops of that in there also. The residual solids in the filter paper were still quite red.. and I've heard that if it is IRON then the iron will go into solution before any gold will... so, feeling like I may left some gold behind, I tossed the filters and all back into another somewhat larger batch of AR. My AR process goes as follows: Put sample outside, add HCL, sprinkle in Potassium nitrate, Stir fast, run away.... the entire process is limited by ability to hold my breath, so it happens fast... then I stay away for a day, so this batch will be in the rain tonight.
Question: Has anyone ever had success pulling gold out of the remaining solids on the 2nd or 3rd try due to iron saturating solution on the first try and leaving behind the gold ?
Question: Have I over diluted my sample with water ?
** Stannous Test **
* I will be re-doing later and will post follow up results. Details of initial try and images below.
Made my own, .89g of Tin to 36ml of HCL.... I fear this is not strong enough and needs more Tin based on what I've seen. Anyway, next batch will have 7g of tin to around 45ml of HCL. Its outside brewing now.
Question: Could such a dilute solution of stannous create false negatives ?, especially when paired with such a diluted solution.
Added around 5ml of solution and equal amount of stannous to test spoon. Ref. image. In hand and in front of you it presented only the faintest indication of purple... I did the stand stone also, which presented differently... and did not take on any hue. You "might" be able to see the difference in the images below. Will try again later with more concentrated Tin solution, and update.
Ran out to garage at lunch, opened doors and let tail gate of truck down. Excited, fun, feels like Christmas !! Took sample in mason jar, a fresh mason jar, filter, and two coffee filters... and dumped er' in there. Appears to have made TN Iced Tea.. who'd have thought the old timers drank so much sweet tea it's gotten into the rocks !! Probably around 20-40 ml filtered solution. Then I added 1 tsp Sulfamic (grout cleaner variety) to 400ml of water and dissolved. Then added half, 200ml to the solution to denox. Leaving outside for a day in around 55 deg. F. weather..and windy !! A bit of rain tonight, so will get a few drops of that in there also. The residual solids in the filter paper were still quite red.. and I've heard that if it is IRON then the iron will go into solution before any gold will... so, feeling like I may left some gold behind, I tossed the filters and all back into another somewhat larger batch of AR. My AR process goes as follows: Put sample outside, add HCL, sprinkle in Potassium nitrate, Stir fast, run away.... the entire process is limited by ability to hold my breath, so it happens fast... then I stay away for a day, so this batch will be in the rain tonight.
Question: Has anyone ever had success pulling gold out of the remaining solids on the 2nd or 3rd try due to iron saturating solution on the first try and leaving behind the gold ?
Question: Have I over diluted my sample with water ?
** Stannous Test **
* I will be re-doing later and will post follow up results. Details of initial try and images below.
Made my own, .89g of Tin to 36ml of HCL.... I fear this is not strong enough and needs more Tin based on what I've seen. Anyway, next batch will have 7g of tin to around 45ml of HCL. Its outside brewing now.
Question: Could such a dilute solution of stannous create false negatives ?, especially when paired with such a diluted solution.
Added around 5ml of solution and equal amount of stannous to test spoon. Ref. image. In hand and in front of you it presented only the faintest indication of purple... I did the stand stone also, which presented differently... and did not take on any hue. You "might" be able to see the difference in the images below. Will try again later with more concentrated Tin solution, and update.
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You see Baba, This forum never was geared towards "ore" or " ore sampling".
More towards refining and electronic scrap.
You go back on the forum and learn the basics of refining first, and then you will get along much better with these guys.
As an aside there used to be a gold test kit that anyone could use sold by Happy Camper.
If they don't sell it any more I could help you get the chems to make the tests.
More towards refining and electronic scrap.
You go back on the forum and learn the basics of refining first, and then you will get along much better with these guys.
As an aside there used to be a gold test kit that anyone could use sold by Happy Camper.
If they don't sell it any more I could help you get the chems to make the tests.
I'd be interested in such a test for sure, especially if required fewer toxic materials and potential bi-products... Let me know.
Checked the Stannous before sun set and the tin had only dissolved may 10-20%... so still unsure if the solution would accurately present results, but tried anyway.. Didn't like what I saw so gonna try again tomorrow after it fully dissolves the tin. Started with only a 3 drops of solution. Clear one is the sandstone (other thread and ore type) , yellow is the "likely" iron in this thread. Added a good squirt from the stannous with most of the zinc still in the HCL bubbling (it was just a chunk of tin, next time I'm buying tin shot).... anyway, this time the sandstone took an ever so slightly purple tone, or my brain was thinking purple so loudly that I saw purple in there.. haha... anyway, it did appear to darken a bit, ref. images of before and after below. The Iron, turned into egg yoke, got much darker and richer yellow.... no idea. meh, disposed of both, and will give it a last try tomorrow after all the tin is dissolved into the solution. Supposed to rain a bit tonight, will that screw up the stannous if it gets a bit wet ?
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I found an old website but it says they are out of stock.
The first chem is SSN and they show you how to mix that on the website.
It's just saturated saline and nitric.
The first chem is SSN and they show you how to mix that on the website.
It's just saturated saline and nitric.
