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Hi Jim
I wanted to know if you tried to refine in this cell with using other chemicals instead of nitric acid
Thanks
 
Refiner232121 said:
Hi Jim
I wanted to know if you tried to refine in this cell with using other chemicals instead of nitric acid
Thanks

Nitric acid is the best solvent for silver, I don't believe there's anything that would work better.
Junkman Jim
 
These are for plating
Can I use one of these rectifiers for this process

DPS-5012M 60 Amp- Runs plating baths up to 20 gallon (except rhodium, which is less). Also suitable for stripping and refining.

Can I make do with something cheaper than having to spend $800 dollars

Thank You


http://ishor.com/Rectifiers.htm
 
The 25 amp rectifier will produce up to 100 grams (3.2 tr.oz.) of silver per hour at about 3 volts. The efficiency is mainly dependent upon the purity of the anodes. For example, running 99% silver is much more efficient than 90% silver, for several reasons. Since it is a 12 volt rectifier, 3 or 4 nearly identical (same size, shape, solution composition, anode size, etc.) cells can be run together in series to increase the silver output 3 or 4 times.
 
goldsilverpro said:
cells can be run together in series to increase the silver output 3 or 4 times.
I assume your comment of running more than one cell in "series" is to imply that they are run in tandem. Series wiring of cells would require a higher operating voltage. In order for the cells to capitalize on the amperage with the same voltage, they would be wired parallel.
Still operating in tandem, but wired differently. Did I miss this one?

Harold
 
Harold, I also have to think about which way it is rigged every time I talk about it.

Series.

Amperage is constant and Voltage is additive in a series circuit. You have a 25A, 12V rectifier. You pull about 25 amps @ 3volts for a 3 gallon cell, using about 0.4 sq.ft. of anode area, standard solution composition, and 4.5" anode/cathode spacing. At 100% efficiency, using these parameters, one cell produces about 3.2 tr.oz. of silver/hour. With 4 identical cells of this size, you would apply 25 amps (Amperage is constant) in EACH cell @ 3 volts, for a total silver output of 12.8 tr.oz./hour. You would have a total of 12 volts (4 cells x 3 volts, Voltage is additive) in the system. If the 4 cells weren't identical (actually, in practice, they will never be exactly the same), each cell would have a different amount of resistance and their individual outputs would be somewhat different, although the total output of 12.8 tr.oz./hour should be the same, as long as you applied 25 amps and a total of 12 volts to the whole system.

I have assumed 100% efficiency in these calculations. In practice, this will never hold true, especially when running silver anodes of less than about 98-99% purity.

In parallel, the total 25 amps would be divided among the 4 cells and you would only produce 1/4 as much silver as you would had they been in series.
 
qst42know is right. You have it in parallel.

For series:

It goes (+)~+-~+-~+-~(-) The power supply terminals are in parentheses. The 3 +- pairs are the 3 cells. The ~ symbol represents cables.

The (+) lead from the rectifier is attached to the anode in the 1st cell.
The cathode in the 1st cell is attached to the anode in the 2nd cell.
The cathode in the 2nd cell is attached to the anode in the 3rd cell.
The (-) lead from the rectifier is attached to the cathode in the 3rd cell.

Try to make the cables the same length and gauge to help balance the resistance.

Believe it or not, it really does work.
 
Refiner232121 said:
Hi Folks
I made an imaginary photo
I am not sure if I did it right
That would be correct if you had a power supply that had limited voltage, but ample amperage. In theory, if you wire the cells in series, each cell would require an increase in voltage of approximately 3 volts, assuming that was the correct operating voltage of the individual cells. You clearly would be limited to the number of cells that could be included, not only by amperage, but by voltage, assuming you had a limited voltage power supply.

In reality, wiring as you indicated is fine. With a fixed voltage, the amperage will increase with each cell added, up to the capacity of your power supply, and it won't have a significant effect on the voltage (which would likely be near the open circuit voltage). Given the need, and I was to operate more than one cell, that's the way I'd wire them. It has specific advantages. One of them is the ability to disconnect one of the cells for maintenance without stopping all of them. Personally, I'd avoid series wiring for that reason, if no other. One of the other advantages of parallel wiring is the overall reduction of resistance.

Harold
 
goldsilverpro said:
Try to make the cables the same length and gauge to help balance the resistance.

You don't need to have the same length on the cables. It is a series circuit and the voltage drop will happen outside of the cells. The voltage over each cell is only depending on the total current and the cell conditions, not the individual cable resistances.
Shorter cables would minimize resistive losses in the cables and give higher voltages over the cells.

/Göran
 
Hi Everyone

I am trying to build to power supply box for this project

I don't know electronics and it is becoming a big task
If I cant build this then I will have to buy it from a jewelery supply business
Before I buy a rectifier I want to try to build this myself
So I wrote to this company
http://www.addison-electronique.com/

This is what I asked them

--------------------------------
Hi
I would like to make a cell like this one
Can you tell me how much a power supply will cost
Here are some details
***********************************************************1.25 volts measured at the cathode and anode bars
capable of 80 amps but
I'm guessing it only draws around *******************************************10 amps
-------------------------------
This is what they said to me

We carry a lot of parts that can be used for building power supplies. I can only guess from the copper sulfate bath in
the picture that you want a power supply to feed the anodisation reaction. The tricky part about those supplies is that
they are current-regulated supplies since the load is pretty much a dead short. Such power supplies are quite expensive
and can be found in specialized metal working shops. The only option that we have here are variable voltage sources like
this one :


https://www.addison-electronique.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=16_16003&products_id=203075&osCsid=ce4cc9eef1
ddda120bf7b026e52b7b47



The only thing missing is current-regulation, which can be homebrewed by using a pass transistor working in saturation

mode (and picking a transisitor with the wanted curr

Thanks
 
golddie said:
Hi Everyone

I am trying to build to power supply box for this project

I don't know electronics and it is becoming a big task
If I cant build this then I will have to buy it from a jewelery supply business
Before I buy a rectifier I want to try to build this myself
So I wrote to this company
http://www.addison-electronique.com/

This is what I asked them

--------------------------------
Hi
I would like to make a cell like this one
Can you tell me how much a power supply will cost
Here are some details
***********************************************************1.25 volts measured at the cathode and anode bars
capable of 80 amps but
I'm guessing it only draws around *******************************************10 amps
-------------------------------
This is what they said to me

We carry a lot of parts that can be used for building power supplies. I can only guess from the copper sulfate bath in
the picture that you want a power supply to feed the anodisation reaction. The tricky part about those supplies is that
they are current-regulated supplies since the load is pretty much a dead short. Such power supplies are quite expensive
and can be found in specialized metal working shops. The only option that we have here are variable voltage sources like
this one :


https://www.addison-electronique.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=16_16003&products_id=203075&osCsid=ce4cc9eef1
ddda120bf7b026e52b7b47



The only thing missing is current-regulation, which can be homebrewed by using a pass transistor working in saturation

mode (and picking a transisitor with the wanted curr

Thanks

If you look at the previous posts there are some instructions on how to build the power supply. I built the supply with used parts so it cost me very little. If you have a surplus electronics store close they would have everything you need and could probably help with the design. You could monitor the voltage with a cheap handheld multi-meter from Harbor Freight. I could draw a schematic and post it if that would help.
I did not use current regulation, instead I used variable voltage (0 to 5 volts) and allowed the cell to draw as much current as it needed.
Hope this helps,
Junkman Jim
 
Hi Jim
Thank you for taking the time to reply
Like I said when it comes to electronics I am a dummy
Its not something I am proud about
But you cant have everything
I went to Harbor Freight
I found this page
http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=multi+meter&Submit=Go
If you can draw a schematic
That would be real nice
I am thinking about making a few cells maybe 4 of them
I don't know if it will make business sense but that's another story
Thanks very much
 
It will take a little time to draw the schematic, I'll post it as soon as I can.
The $4.99 meter is just fine, they sometimes have that meter on sale for $2.99.
I'm in Falcon, Colorado, if you're close you could stop by and see my supply.
My recomendation would be to increase the size of a single cell instead of using multiple cells as the electrolyte is very expensive. You might try several rows of anodes and cathodes alternately. My cell was less than a gallon of electrolyte and contained 20 troy ounces of silver.
My supply is more than capable to run four rows of anodes and cathodes.
Regards,
Junkman Jim
 
Hi Jim
Thanks for your reply.
It would have been nice if I lived in those parts but I am really too far away from there.
I live in Canada
I bet it must be beautiful in those parts.
I love birds do you get to see Falcons ,we have Falcons over here.
I like to watch birds and I am amazed at their intelligence.
By looking at your drawing I am not able to figure out what to do.
It seems like a simple project but when a person has not done any electronic project before it becomes
like a big mystery
I will wait for you to draw the schematic
Thanks very much
 

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