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kularm

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Hi guys, this is my first post so bare with me, Im asking this question as there is way too much info on this site to let me find what I am after.

First the situation:
DOnt ask but an opportunity has arisen where we have a good supply of gold dust (assay'd at around 22-23k.) We've done a few trades and we are moving into expanding thigns now. I have a history in Geology which led to sourcing the gold but that is as far as it goes. Now we have been passing our dust through a refinery to turn it into gold bars for transport via air. Now the problem is the two refineries we have used had a suspiciously high amouth of waste (~1.5%) which has lost our trust in the process. We now want to do this ourselves, buying equipment and having a dedicated member to do it.

Ive trawled the net with no help in being able to find a clear tutorial, all ive found are different terms and methods (Aqua Regia and microwave etc). It would be really helpful if someone could post a good few links or explanations on what to purchase and how to remove impurities then turn into bars. We require a detailed explanation for business use so links are prob better to other well detailed threads. We trade 50kg+ of dust a trade and require 10-12kg bars to be made of the highest purity (24k) as this is what our buyer wants and makes it easier to value and put through assay.

Our last assay of our raw sample had the following attributes:
% Purity of sample: 94.68% (this needs to be made as pure as possible)
Equivalent carat: +22.68 (same with this...near to 24k needed)

Im still going to read the threads but require help, sorry for seeming dim about the matter, this opportunity is profitable enough to make us switch from our other jobs. The one person who shows us great help would be duly rewarded (I wont say how) but be assured it would be good enough to spend a few minutes writing here. If you are interested then please reply to this thread and also in doing so please pm your email to me so I can contact that one lucky person.

Oh btw is there a method of stamping our company logo, weight, and carat into the said melted bars

Thanks!!!
 
One of our moderators can make you shopping list or calculation on what you need, he can set up your refining place and train your staff. How big were samples you obtained from your business partners which were as you say not properly refined?
 
Hi,

Thanks for the quick reply. Our first two orders were both 47kg of raw material. I was advised by a friend that any loss of material greater than 0.5% would be 'sketchy' and as a result mean that the said company were keeping too much of the final product for themselves (we paid them as well). Our assay state the sample size was 69gm before analysis and 55 gm after (was this what you was after?). Please bare with me if I have not supplied the right info or details.... as stated Im pretty new to this, and unfortunatley I didnt have the benefit of learning with small amounts as I was thrown straight into the deep end lol! Any equipment would only be required for use at most once a month, maybe twice. Initial outlay isnt an issue as we preffer spending more to secure our own trust in the operation.

I never stated this but if there were any books/sites recommended to teach me about gold/other ores from extraction to point of sale I would much appreciate this
 
Maybe it is just me, but something seems odd here if you are asking these questions yet buying and having refined lots of 22K+ gold, 50+ kilos at a shot, at a profit.

If you are serious, give some further details and we have members here that can help. I remain skeptical for the time being.
 
It's been said before, and I'll say it again.

Read Hoke.

That will help you understand the process you must master.

Harold
 
Kularm,
As far as I understand you got 69 gram sample and have pending order for 50+ kilograms of material. Is that correct?
Did you already paid for that 50+ kilograms of dust?
Your partners - aren't they based in Nigeria, Ghana, Mali or another African state?
If your answer to this questions is yes then you will not need any refining equipment. Material from this states (unless it is not coming through their governments) is generally very pure. Buyers will get exactly pure nothing for their money.
You need to ask yourself: Why did they contacted me and not large refining and exporting company?
 
kularm said:
DOnt ask but an opportunity has arisen ....
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kularm said:
...this opportunity is profitable enough to make us switch from our other jobs.
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kularm said:
The one person who shows us great help would be duly rewarded (I wont say how)....
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kularm said:
I didnt have the benefit of learning with small amounts as I was thrown straight into the deep end...
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kularm said:
Initial outlay isnt an issue....
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These buzz phrases all sound very familiar in concept.
 
This thread sounded fishy from first second it appeared here. I just tried to be nice as Kularm might be on sorry end of this scam. He may be just victim not organizer.
If he is the one pulling strings in behind of this rather common and stupid african gold scam scheme he will not find business here. If he is victim he can stop, take deep breath, count his loss and celebrate that he did not lost more money or life.

My first sig line shows directly what we can see here...
 
kularm said:
Hi guys, this is my first post so bare with me, Im asking this question as there is way too much info on this site to let me find what I am after. With this opportunity, you are not trying hard enough

First the situation:
DOnt ask Why not? but an opportunity has arisen where we have a good supply of gold dust (assay'd at around 22-23k.) From Where?We've done a few trades what did you trade?and we are moving into expanding thigns now. I have a history in Geology What history and where? I have a grade ten creditwhich led to sourcing the gold but that is as far as it goes. Now we have been passing our dust through a refinery to turn it into gold bars for transport via air.Can you explain how and which refinery? Now the problem is the two refineries we have used had a suspiciously high amouth of waste (~1.5%) which has lost our trust in the process. We now want to do this ourselves, buying equipment and having a dedicated member to do it.

Ive trawled the net with no help in being able to find a clear tutorial, all ive found are different terms and methods (Aqua Regia and microwave etc) Have you read this forum? Have you read Hokes?. It would be really helpful if someone could post a good few links or explanations on what to purchase and how to remove impurities then turn into bars. We require a detailed explanation for business useand we require yours so links are prob better to other well detailed threads. We trade 50kg+ of dust a trade And you have problems hiring a professional? Even with problems with your refiners you would still have all this gold capital to re-invest. Where is it?and require 10-12kg bars to be made of the highest purity (24k) as this is what our buyer wants You already have a buyer? Can you get a deposit from them?and makes it easier to value and put through assay.

Our last assay of our raw sample had the following attributes:
% Purity of sample: 94.68% Size of sample?(this needs to be made as pure as possible)
Equivalent carat: +22.68 (same with this...near to 24k needed)

Im still going to read the threads but require help, sorry for seeming dim about the matter, this opportunity is profitable enough to make us switch from our other jobs.What other jobs do you have? The one person who shows us great help would be duly rewarded (I wont say how Please how and why?) but be assured it would be good enough to spend a few minutes writing here. If you are interested then please reply to this thread and also in doing so please pm your email to me so I can contact that one lucky person.Just a lucky one? Is this not an opportunity or is this just a chance?

Oh btw is there a method of stamping our company logo, weight, and carat into the said melted barsDo you already have bars for stamping?

Thanks!!!
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And thank you for pulling up popular topics from this forum and creating an opportunity for one lucky enough person. You don't need to pm me, just post your contact information here and I'm sure someone with a professional inquisitor attitude will contact you directly
 
Ok guys, first of all let me just say how disappointed I am that hardly any help was given, instead my operation was criticised by yourselves. It would have been appropriate to understand that I wasnt trying to sell you guys anything, and we have already traded so this is not a scam. There was no part for you to tell me whether or not you think im being scammed, that is not what I asked of you. For those who failed to understand, I HAVE ALREADY DONE OUR FIRST TRADES AND I AM TRYING TO IMPROVE MY OPERATION! I DONT PLAN TO OR REALLY WANT TO SELL YOU ANYTHING! It is possible for people in this world to obtain resources cheaper than others, THIS DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN IT IS A SCAM! Tbh I use forums alot, not just for this topic, and can I just say how disappointed I am in the feedback given. I would have thought those in a specialist subject would be keen to help and not criticise.

So I ask again, where can I find help in my understanding of refining and smelting. For those who cant understand this with their backwards minds please feel free to ignore this post and go do something else with your lives, those who wish to help, as I have stated I would be very thankful to.
 
Oh and also, for those who dont understand, the source did not contact me directly. I was given an opportunity by a friend who trades with owners of land where mines are based. To some in fact most this would sound like a scam, I would agree, however it is possible for people to still locate resources in these areas. My friend has been trading in the west african territories for at least 30 years so I give her my trust, I am not asking for yours.
 
You must realise that if you use text and promises that read like "nigerian money scam" that we all get in our mailboxes every day, people will read it like a scam. Giving straight forward information not hidden behind promises of riches and contact information that is validated will get a real valuable response.
 
The advice to read Hokes is highly recommended.

This thread covers a similar problem. Inquart to achieve 99%.

http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=7373&hilit=inquart
 
If you indeed have a legitamate trading venture and would like to learn more about the refining process please accept our apologies. But as stated by joem we occassionally get posts with promises of gold and money with little to no effort and can clearly be recognized for the scams they are. While keeping this in mind please also take into consideration that all the information you need is here in the forum somewhere. This is especially true for processing something as simple as high purity gold dust.

No one will hold your hand and walk you step by step on what you need to do. But if you display that you have at least made an effort to learn both the why and not just the how of the needed processes involded in refining, we will gladly help you. As Harold says "there is no free lunch". Please download and read Hoke's teachings found on patnor's signature line and then we can much better help you.

http://hotfile.com/dl/14623543/1cf7898/Refining_Precious_Metal_Wastes_C11.M_Hoke.pdf.htm
 
You can use the search function to find a full description of inquarting on the forum.

I would like to see what 50kg of gold dust looks like. How about posting a photo?
 
kularm said:
Ok guys, first of all let me just say how disappointed I am that hardly any help was given, instead my operation was criticised by yourselves. It would have been appropriate to understand that I wasnt trying to sell you guys anything, and we have already traded so this is not a scam. There was no part for you to tell me whether or not you think im being scammed, that is not what I asked of you. For those who failed to understand, I HAVE ALREADY DONE OUR FIRST TRADES AND I AM TRYING TO IMPROVE MY OPERATION! I DONT PLAN TO OR REALLY WANT TO SELL YOU ANYTHING! It is possible for people in this world to obtain resources cheaper than others, THIS DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN IT IS A SCAM! Tbh I use forums alot, not just for this topic, and can I just say how disappointed I am in the feedback given. I would have thought those in a specialist subject would be keen to help and not criticise.

So I ask again, where can I find help in my understanding of refining and smelting. For those who cant understand this with their backwards minds please feel free to ignore this post and go do something else with your lives, those who wish to help, as I have stated I would be very thankful to.
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WOW. You are sensitive. The information and help you are asking for is free here. If you don't like the response from people trying to protect or alert others on the forum, maybe you should seek for your free help elsewhere. Understand, if it smells and taste like a scam, 99% of the time it is. If your case is one of the 1%, be tolerant of the skepticism you will receive.

Just my two cents,
Tom
 
When someone says, "Don't ask where it came from," the standard interpretation of that is, "it's stolen." It can be very dangerous to become involved in any way with stolen gold, especially in the amounts you describe.

When someone says, "You will be rewarded, but I won't say how," that's just too corny to be taken seriously. If someone spent a lot of their time feeding you detailed information, it would be very difficult for them to seek just compensation with your wording of it. And if what you are involved in is illegal, it would be impossible.

It should be obvious, that when using the types of chemicals, which you know about, and processing quantities of the size that you mention, that a mere superficial knowledge could easily get somebody seriously injured or killed (not to mention the large losses of material possible) with seemingly small processing or equipment errors.

You say that, "initial outlay isn't an issue," but common sense would tell the average person that if he could afford it, he should simply hire a professionsl to set up a refining operation for him, and teach him how to use it, along with all the safety precautions.

So, overall, your story just doesn't float.
 
Look, again I have to say Im not asking you to agree with my story. At the end of the day it is profitable for my self and parties involved, not you, so dont et involved on the business side of thigns or try and convince other people that it is illegal. I could go out and get a proffessional, that would be even more costlier and I still would not understand the full process. I am asking here for a basis of self education, whatever methods I am given I will understand because I will research them further and not get somone to just educate me about one particular process. Oh and also, by intial outlay, from what I have read could be upto 15k-20k which is reasonable, hiring someone might add to that even futher and expose me to time I simply do not want to waste travelling around. If you are not going to help them its simple, keep your mouth shut!
 

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