patnor1011 said:
Ok, that was fantastic!! He hauled out an old pic of grandpa and had two other pics to work with!!
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Ok, that was fantastic!! He hauled out an old pic of grandpa and had two other pics to work with!!
macfixer01
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Well hell, why didn't he tell us up front that he "changed the frequency"??? Of course the color is wrong now for gold oxide. And gold oxide means whatever he wants it to mean apparently. Yeah, sure, ok. Whatever!
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Is he just expecting most people not to check that they were scammed, or most not to make a fuss with ebay, or is there some loophole in ebay rules that say he wouldn't have to give a refund if a buyer says he lied?
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Wow, I've read enough of these replies in this thread, and many of the stories I read should be in a thread called "The Worst of eBay".
Kevin
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Both Au2O and Au2O3 are soluble in HCl. Then just add SMB to drop out the gold. If you try that and get no gold, it wasn't gold oxide.
macfixer01
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testerman said:
Read the very first post. This thread was created by Goldenchild for that purpose, and patterned off his original examples. It's the best (most blatant) cons on Ebay basically. It's better than adding dozens of new threads per year to point out potential scams and discuss questionable or misleading auctions that less knowledgable members might otherwise consider bidding on.
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patnor1011
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Gold oxide seller. :twisted:
Here is little exchange we had over on ebay:
Dear mahdiemmanuel,
Are you sure that there was fire assay performed on gold oxide? Mainly when gold oxide decompose at 160 centigrade. Gold oxide my friend is deep red/brown to nearly black colour not what you have pictured. What you do have there is most likely Arizona sand. Do you realize that what you put in auction description is outright lie?
His reply:
Dear patnor101,
I am sure of what this material is. Are YOU certain that you understand the term "Oxide" it has many definitions, and NO it is NOT sand. I declared that this is the product of base metals that were "fused" together using a form of fusion that I will not here disclose. I also gave proof that Butlerlab, in my presence did in fact use a form of torch fire assay, and yes the material did in fact produce multiple gold beads. This IS TRUTH. You are wrongfully accusing me, and therefore subject to charges. Being that this is an interstate commerce forum, this would entail Federal charges. I suggest that until you know the truth that you keep your opinions to yourself. I do not lie, never. I do not decieve, ever. As FACT this material was reddish brown, until I performed the next step which was to cause the frequency to change therefore effecting a "color" change. It is evident you do not understand how ions, and size of such, result in color changes as electronegativity ratio's change.
You, need to study.
- mahdiemmanuel
Here is little exchange we had over on ebay:
Dear mahdiemmanuel,
Are you sure that there was fire assay performed on gold oxide? Mainly when gold oxide decompose at 160 centigrade. Gold oxide my friend is deep red/brown to nearly black colour not what you have pictured. What you do have there is most likely Arizona sand. Do you realize that what you put in auction description is outright lie?
His reply:
Dear patnor101,
I am sure of what this material is. Are YOU certain that you understand the term "Oxide" it has many definitions, and NO it is NOT sand. I declared that this is the product of base metals that were "fused" together using a form of fusion that I will not here disclose. I also gave proof that Butlerlab, in my presence did in fact use a form of torch fire assay, and yes the material did in fact produce multiple gold beads. This IS TRUTH. You are wrongfully accusing me, and therefore subject to charges. Being that this is an interstate commerce forum, this would entail Federal charges. I suggest that until you know the truth that you keep your opinions to yourself. I do not lie, never. I do not decieve, ever. As FACT this material was reddish brown, until I performed the next step which was to cause the frequency to change therefore effecting a "color" change. It is evident you do not understand how ions, and size of such, result in color changes as electronegativity ratio's change.
You, need to study.
- mahdiemmanuel
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hehe, I love it. I'm surprised he even responded, given you clearly weren't believing his initial BS
World English Dictionary
oxide (ˈɒksaɪd) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
— n
1. any compound of oxygen with another element
2. any organic compound in which an oxygen atom is bound to two alkyl or aryl groups; an ether or epoxide
So "gold oxide" translates to "a compound that contains an oxygen atom and is golden in color" - silicon dioxide, perhaps?
"in fact produce multiple gold beads" = 5 beads, 1 µg each!
World English Dictionary
oxide (ˈɒksaɪd) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
— n
1. any compound of oxygen with another element
2. any organic compound in which an oxygen atom is bound to two alkyl or aryl groups; an ether or epoxide
So "gold oxide" translates to "a compound that contains an oxygen atom and is golden in color" - silicon dioxide, perhaps?
"in fact produce multiple gold beads" = 5 beads, 1 µg each!
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=mahdiemmanuel&iid=230885031523&de=off&items=25&which=negative&interval=30&_trkparms=negative_30
Looks like someone got him today! Ebay will probably remove it later.
Looks like someone got him today! Ebay will probably remove it later.
its-all-a-lie
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When 2 ounces of gold powder are advertised for sale for $30 and you buy it thinking you are getting a good deal, you deserve what you bought. Im sure i will be ripped apart for this comment, but this is my opinion.
"FAKE this person ripped people off with a different account.Stop these scammers.
2 OUNCES GOLD POWDER! ONLY $30.00 PRODUCT OF ALCHEMY STUDENT"
It's sad to hear someone get ripped off but I had to laugh. :lol:
Ebay removing feedback? This is new to me.
2 OUNCES GOLD POWDER! ONLY $30.00 PRODUCT OF ALCHEMY STUDENT"
It's sad to hear someone get ripped off but I had to laugh. :lol:
Ebay removing feedback? This is new to me.
macfixer01
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Here's another unique auction I just noticed. It's late and I'm overtired, so not totally sure what to think about this one right now. I guess we're left to assume that he just dissolved out the base metals with HCL or Nitric? How does he figure he has 99.5% gold there though with no refining done yet? I'm also wondering if the "6 OZ approx" includes the weight of the liquid in the beaker too? Too many unanswered questions.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/230890388068
macfixer01
http://www.ebay.com/itm/230890388068
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macfixer01 said:
I'm wondering if this auction is by a forum member? I see he changed the description to only 2.4 ounces dry weight but is still claiming it's 99.5% gold.
patnor1011
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From description:
You are bidding on a 2.4 oz aprox of gold (dry weight). recovered from porcelain and green fiber cpu's. "Attention" these are not pins, the pins are history, this is gold recovered from the cpu's pins. the gold was never dissolved, no aqua reggia was used to recover the gold, it has a few inpurities but 99.5 % is gold. This lot is ready to be melted.
We know why this is wrong.
No matter how long it will stay in AP, there will always be base metal on inside of foils. That is why you have to dissolve, filter, wash, drop, then wash again and perhaps in order to get 99.5+ and more repeat again, do second refining.
If you want to find out what I am talking about one need to dry foils and then inspect them under microscope or with loupe. A lot of foils will be silverish inside that may be nickel or something else.
You are bidding on a 2.4 oz aprox of gold (dry weight). recovered from porcelain and green fiber cpu's. "Attention" these are not pins, the pins are history, this is gold recovered from the cpu's pins. the gold was never dissolved, no aqua reggia was used to recover the gold, it has a few inpurities but 99.5 % is gold. This lot is ready to be melted.
We know why this is wrong.
No matter how long it will stay in AP, there will always be base metal on inside of foils. That is why you have to dissolve, filter, wash, drop, then wash again and perhaps in order to get 99.5+ and more repeat again, do second refining.
If you want to find out what I am talking about one need to dry foils and then inspect them under microscope or with loupe. A lot of foils will be silverish inside that may be nickel or something else.
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I always become suspicious when the sale is for anything other than the final product of melted gold. I mean if you’re going to perform the ap method why not go a few steps further and refine the foils, precipitate the gold and melt it? The same goes for gold sponge. Sponge is exactly 1 step away from being a nice solid ingot or button. Whenever you see gold that has been "recovered", ask yourself why not go the extra mile of refining it? If not then why not sell the gold in its original source material state?
eeTHr
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If it really is what he claims it to be, then if he only gets one bidder at the $1,000.00, he's going to lose a couple thousand dollars. Why risk that, when he could just send it to a refiner and get something much closer to spot, and be done with it?
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eeTHr said:
It says 5 grams in the picture on the bar!!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
I will sell my silver to anyone that wants to pay 12+ dollars a gram. :shock: :shock:
Eric
patnor1011
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He is going to lose dispute. Auction name said oz, auction description said oz and if he will ship grams he will lose if buyer open dispute. Nowhere in auction he mention that you will get what is on picture.
