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we have some results, however i am reluctant to post them untill assay comes back.

looks like a viable, yet so overly simple yet still complicated process with alot to learn.

seems that silver will predominate the precipitation , so we poured dore bars (i think they are called? or is it refiners bars?)

we'll see what the assay says and ill then post what went into it.

as well as the over all process

Ryan
 
its honestly looking good but again untill i perfect this crazey process I am reluctant to post any further info. I dont want anyone going down the wrong path with this.

And right now, as much as id like to spend every available second in the lab working on this, a little thing called life keeps getting in the way.......

so much to do so little time, and its freaking cold in PA right now.

Ill get this, and make sure all whos interested can make it work the first time.

Ryan
 
Hi Ryan,
I processed 8 lb of the square IC chips and gold a decent yield of gold, they had gold bonding wires quite a few and gold solder holding the wafer down.

I have a recipe for thiosulfate leach if you want it. I have not got to try it yet, just my digging around in old gold/metal refining books.

Jim
 
I find this thread very interesting. I too have been looking at an economical way to recover of all the metals.

James, About how much Au per pound for 8 lbs. of those chips?
 
Scott,
I have not refined the material so I do not have an exact gold content.
I have a test tube with a pile of gold wires in the bottom, chunks of gold solder, and globes of gold/silver pieces that most likely contain some copper.

I have a process that does not include grinding up the whole chip and only concentrates on the center where the silicon chip is, this is also were the gold bonding wires are.

I ran the 8 lb and gold about 4 oz of the centers above, ashed these with a propane torch to red heat for about 5 min, then quenced in water. I ground this stuff of as find as I could with a mortar an pestal. Then panned the material an got a good portion of gold wires and solder. then treated the rest with nitric acid for 4 hours to remove as many base metals as possible, then panned agian. thies seperated out the globes of gold/silver materials which I am sure have some copper content.

I am only interested in recovery, not refining since no one will pay me for spot price anyways. This material also, does not belong to me, it belongs to another forum member that sent me material to run to test my chip processing machine.

After I send the material to the person it belongs to, it would be up to them to refine and decide if they want to post actual metal contents.

I can tell you this, if you can process the chips quickly, without having to dissolve all of the base metals in the chips, with metals at or better than current prices, there is money to be made.

I am now working on a electrostatic sorter to allow even faster processing of the bulk material and need to make a grinder that will grind the concentrated material more uniformly and to a much smaller size.


Jim
 
goldsilverpro said:
Gold Trail,

Sodium thiosulfate is used as fixer in the photo industry to dissolve silver halides. The silver is then plated out in special electrolytic units. The cathodes in these units are usually stainless steel drums which rotate. The purpose of this rotation is to provide fresh silver ions directly to the cathode surface. The silver in this matrix is in the form of a negative complex thiosulfate ion. This negative ion is actually repelled by the negative cathode - this is important to understand. To break down and deposit silver, these ions have to virtually be next to the cathode surface. If the cathode surface is depleted of these silver ions, the cathode will instead deposit a black sulfide deposit, created from a breakdown of the thiosulfate. This is the reason for the rotating cathode - to keep the cathode film (an extremely thin layer of solution right next to the cathode) full of silver ions and prevent sulfide formation. It most probably works the same with gold in this system.

In this silver system, the black sulfide also forms when the silver concentration gets low. Same reason - there's not enough fresh silver ions next to the cathode.

I don't think that normal agitation would work, unless it were extreme. I think the rotating drums agitate the cathode film, whereas normal agitation would primarily agitate the solution. The cathode film is actually a separate entity from the body of solution. To replenish the cathode film with negative ions, you might be able to use ultrasonic agitation. I've also thought that the solution, circulating through under-the-solution spray nozzles, which impinge directly on a sheet cathode, might work.

This cathode film thing is a complicated subject, which I don't understand thoroughly.


So this must be the "Black Plauge" Ive been finghting? its a gooey mess, that luckly goes away in warm dilute nitric, but has my silver bound up in the nitric......

I think the trick in my case is going to be to dump the fish tank bubler and step it up to an air compressor to get more of an agitaion. ( im exprimenting with a 55 gallon set up.)

right now its just too cold out in the lab, especially when there projects to do in the nice warm house. ;-)
 
All right, almost ready to post results on this contraption

My gold yield was really low, and after some investigations i found out that IT IS POSSIBLE to leach too long. (thank you Action Mining Supply)

So, after re-visiting my discard barrels, i noticed a black fim on the pins and copper traces on the boards.

so, I'm off to deal with this, now, and when exact results are available they will be posted along with pics of the set up.

When I was getting started in all this I was fed so much Bull Sh*t and I refuse to mis lead anyone

If this process is a joke Ill say so and be done with it

Ryan
 
Ryan,
I can tell you this, I have recovered .20 -.25 grams of gold per lb on the square chips and .10 -.15 grams from rectangular IC chips both these are actual yields from various chips in a wide mix, not seperated by chip number, only by shape square or rectangular.

If your yield is off from that then I would suspect a proplem, with the thio you should also be getting the silver from the chips.

Jim
 
Any one having some luck on this? I had to tear down my set up for cleaning last February and never set it up again. hoping to get back into this soon. I did have some luck flash striping mil spec pins with granulated pool chlorine and HCL, but the fumes were horrendous.
 
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