Urban Mining

[patnor1011]

I think we already found him. I do not believe that any proper or contributing member will be fighting so hard for somebody who just copied large parts of this forum and selling that as his property.

 

[butcher]

I also was thinking the same, I just do not have the tar hot enough yet.

 

[MMFJ]

Repeated processes and wrote about them in his own language or understanding then that may be considered as creativity.

but he has made a difference from the original? same as you said it "Repeated processes and wrote about them in his own language or understanding then that may be considered as creativity". 8) ...Own Language same with His viewpoint...right????

PLAGIARISM would be me saying (directly copied bits/pieces of your posting)...
but he has made a difference from the original? same as you said it ...Own Language same with His viewpoint...right????

CREATIVE (what I have come to know as "regurgitated writing", which is legal and just fine with me...) would be....
In my opinion, this man presented something different than originally created - something using thought and his own words, intertwined with his personal point of view...right???

Reading those two phrases, one person might understand one better, while another person might relate better to the other phrase. Because they both relate the same idea (as long as both are TRUE), then there is creativity and VALUE in each, which could be sold side by side, with no issue.

However, the point of this discussion is that this 'book' (I will call it that very cautiously) was NOT created using ANY of his own viewpoint, or anything "different" than the original (other than bits taken out of context). Therefore, without question or further comment, this 'work' is created from PLAGIARIZED material and should be stricken from the face of the earth (and/or anywhere else, for that matter!)

 

[joem]

From what I understand schools or colleges use a computer program to search a students work to see if it is copied or plagiarized from the intranet, it would be interesting to run this book through that program, I wonder if any forum members have access to a teacher who could do this to see if it is just not a copied and paste of other peoples hard work?

Sure looks like it is.

I wonder if author of Urban mining A.A. Sandy St. may be related to A.A. Sandy Stevans

Yes we have this software at my work. If I could get a digital copy ( any type) I could find a way to run through the sofware.

The information in the book also goes back before 2010 ( catfish is quoted a lot)

 

[joem]

This is what I will send to google books
Everyone should complain here

http://support.google.com/books/bin/answer.py?hl=en-CA&answer=180577&url=http:%2F%2Fbooks.google.ca%2F%3Fhl%3Den

 

[joem]

Here is Googs response

"Hello,

Thanks for reaching out to us.

We've reviewed your complaint, but it is unclear to us what the specific
copyrighted work or works are that you are asserting have been infringed.
Could you please provide more detail by identifying the work or a
representative list of works? It would be helpful if you could provide us
with a link to the original source of the copyrighted work, as well as
copyright registration numbers if you have them.

Once we understand better what your contentions are, we'll be able to
further investigate the issue and take the appropriate actions.

Regards,

The Google Team"

 

[patnor1011]

Google.
If they get their hands on something, they never let it go.

 

[Smack]

Here is Googs response


Once we understand better what your contentions are, we'll be able to
further investigate the issue and take the appropriate actions.

They haven't investigated anything. In order to analyze a problem you must first recognize there is a problem.

 

[Barren Realms 007]

Here is Googs response


Once we understand better what your contentions are, we'll be able to
further investigate the issue and take the appropriate actions.

They haven't investigated anything. In order to analyze a problem you must first recognize there is a problem.

Maybe Harold can ban the google bot and then they might recognize a problem. :twisted:

 

[Harold_V]

Here is Googs response


Once we understand better what your contentions are, we'll be able to
further investigate the issue and take the appropriate actions.

They haven't investigated anything. In order to analyze a problem you must first recognize there is a problem.

Maybe Harold can ban the google bot and then they might recognize a problem. :twisted:

Heh!
Not a bad idea, but moderator's can't control bots. However, I'm not convinced that Noxx isn't able!

Harold

 

[MMFJ]

However, I'm not convinced that Noxx isn't able!

Harold

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots_exclusion_standard

stops 'em dead.....

 

[butcher]

The way I read that the robot would have to allow you to control him; it sounds to me like some robots have a will of their own, and would not be controlled by humans,
Robots and computers are taking over.

Google response to my complaint that the book was copied from copy write materials, it also said something like if I made a complaint I can be held liable for legal fees. Here is the reply; sounds like to me like the Google computer just generated this reply, as a standard for any complaint of that type that is filed:

Google:
Due to the large volume of requests that we experience, please note that we will only be able to provide you with a response if we determine your request may be a valid and actionable legal complaint. For more information on Google's Terms of Service, please visit http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS

We appreciate your patience.

 

[necromancer]

This guy is good and creative, do not need to be angry because he must work hard to make this technical report.

This knowledge comes from God, so what needs to fuss ...?? :lol: :lol:

So it's hard and creative work to copy and paste?

If you understood the material, you could write the thing in your own words.

Since you use the excuse that everything comes from God, then you wouldn't mind if someone came into your house and left with whatever they wanted---Since it all came from God? By your thinking, God created crooks, too, so it's OK to steal!

I don't think that boat is going to float....

my god says

"its ok to steal bread if you are hungry or to feed the hungry"
as long as you do not put butter or jam on that bread

there is a possible 6 billion (not including bots) that could have taken that information
if you want to get rid of it forever just get rid of the internet, or those who have no morals

if you do not want this information to be everywhere

get noxx to fix his site to "not accept search bots"
i think the file is called "robots.txt" in the root of the server directory

http://mason.gmu.edu/~montecin/copyright-internet.htm

 

[FrugalRefiner]

Another thread that has strayed from its original subject.

I don't think a bot is responsible for for compiling the book referenced in the original post. It was a person who came to the sight, copied a bunch of material, put it together in the form of a book, and is now profiting from the work of others without providing proper credit to those who created the original information.

Search bots bring people to this sight by providing links to relevant information found here on the forum. I believe that's why we're here - to help those seeking information on refining. Ban the bots and it will just make it harder for people to find this incredible resource.

Dave

 

[Palladium]

Bots, a necessary evil.

 

[its-all-a-lie]

I believe the whole point of banning the bot was because Google isn't agreeing that the material was in fact from a thread on this site, and is in a way copyrighted by NOXX. Am i correct in this?

 

[MMFJ]

I believe the whole point of banning the bot was because Google isn't agreeing that the material was in fact from a thread on this site, and is in a way copyrighted by NOXX. Am i correct in this?

That's what my post was about, though other posts have been right on as well with several facts;
- to continue broadening the user base, the forum (and any website) needs to have the 'robots.txt' file allow all the bots to just roam around (they are the special machines that 'read' all the posts and churn through, indexing them so that when someone goes to search, it can 'remember' where it saw it and show relative info.
- As someone said (or something like this), bots are a way of life we can't afford to avoid...
- the problem with this thread was really with the guy copying material and not making it his own (i.e., illegal activity)
a. - by taking 'snipits' (word for word posts) from the board and placing them in a book (without the original owner's permission or knowledge - in and of itself, that is not wrong, but then to not give proper credit where due, becomes copyright infringement)
b. - offer this book for sale on the internet as his own work (though he did give a 'sort of' credit at the end, it clearly was not "proper credit where due")

By the way, if someone could get him to actually mail a physical copy of it across state lines, that would be "mail fraud" as well, which is 10 years without parole....

 

[butcher]

"mail fraud" as well, which is 10 years without parole....

We get to pour hot tar and feathers on him first right?

 

[necromancer]

seems the link to the book is just a front page

http://www.google.com/search?q=urban+mining&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1

did anyone get a copy of it? maybe it should be put up for all members for free ??

maybe this site can be switched so users must be logged in to see content
even if outside search is used

(just a thought)

 

[necromancer]

http://tools.seobook.com/robots-txt/generator/

here is a "robots.txt" genertor

make robots.txt
place it in your root folder for your documents on the server

bots only index what you want

you can also make the site so you need to login to view anything on this server, that way if you "google" you will not see the results exposed to all unless you are first a member.

and also remember that there is 1,000's apon 1,000's of bots
you need to """block all bots"""