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Well put, Auggie. I agree. Even though I started this thread, what the guy did didn't upset me nearly as much as it did some of you, even though I recognized some of my writings, word for word. I was just pointing out that he did it and that he was pond slime for doing it.
 
Auggie,

You hit the nail(s) right on the head.

I've got plenty of new processes, but I'm tired of working my butt off so some other guy can profit from my hard work. I may feel differently if my family did not depend on the fruits of my hard work for the necessities of life.

The internet is a terrible place.. boo hoo. The only thing any of us can do about it is to support those that rightfully deserve it; those that put in the hard work to make this forum the great place it is. There will always be pond slime and it has always been such.

Steve
 
All in all, it's not a bad book, especially for beginners. I see few (or, no) glaring errors. He actually organized a lot of the forum stuff better than any of us have done it. To do that, he would have to have some knowledge. I also noticed that, in some of his photos, the labels of the chemicals on the acid jugs were in French. This would indicate to me that he performed at least some of the work himself.

I don't really like the digital format he used to publish the book. The way he did it, though, using Adobe Digital Editions, made it very difficult for the buyer to copy and distribute.
http://www.adobe.com/products/digitaleditions/pdfs/adobe_ebook_platform_whitepaper.pdf
 
goldsilverpro said:
The way he did it, though, using Adobe Digital Editions, made it very difficult for the buyer to copy and distribute.

That resemble to a bank robber buying a safe to protect the money he stole... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Sure he did all the heavy lifting, but he never really earned this money... :idea:



*Afterthought- Perhaps we should offer the file for free download here on the forum, anyone has the .pdf ?
 
lazersteve said:
Imagine if I had earned a 1/2% royalty from everyone that ever used the AP process to recover gold foils from escrap since the day that I demonstrated it years ago. :shock:

Steve
Not to diminish in any way, your contributions to the process, but I feel I could say pretty much the same thing about the process of cleaning precipitated gold.

When I started on this forum, I never saw gold from any of the early members that could be considered (at least by my measure) as acceptable. I had an objective of high quality, so, to that end, I had worked hard on improving the end product. I had developed a washing procedure that I felt had merit, and while it was similar to that taught by Hoke, it was distinctly different.

I also championed the idea of a second refining (hardly something new, but not commonly practiced by the vast majority of members at that time), as well as eliminating base metals, to limit drag-down of unwanted substances. All too many simply dissolved everything with AR, then precipitated and melted. Shocking, but true.

I promoted these processes in the hopes that others would benefit. I, at no time, had any expectations of profiting from what I posted. Had I expected to do so, it would have never been offered freely, as it has been.

In life, we reap rewards in many ways. I enjoy trying to help others. Some are grateful, while others resent the intrusion. Some even grab the freely offered information and pretend it belongs to them. That's not at all uncommon. My washing procedure, for example, has been promoted by others on a regular basis, often with no mention that it may have come from me. That's the price we pay for sharing. Some folks are highly principled, while others don't have a grasp of the concept.

When I'm gone from this world, I can hope that others that may have benefitted from me will remember me in that light---that I tried to help, and expected nothing in return.

Harold
 
samuel-a said:
goldsilverpro said:
The way he did it, though, using Adobe Digital Editions, made it very difficult for the buyer to copy and distribute.

That resemble to a bank robber buying a safe to protect the money he stole... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Sure he did all the heavy lifting, but he never really earned this money... :idea:



*Afterthought- Perhaps we should offer the file for free download here on the forum, anyone has the .pdf ?

I know where to locate this file.
It's on GRF lol
 
Harold_V said:
lazersteve said:
Imagine if I had earned a 1/2% royalty from everyone that ever used the AP process to recover gold foils from escrap since the day that I demonstrated it years ago. :shock:

Steve
Not to diminish in any way, your contributions to the process, but I feel I could say pretty much the same thing about the process of cleaning precipitated gold.

When I started on this forum, I never saw gold from any of the early members that could be considered (at least by my measure) as acceptable. I had an objective of high quality, so, to that end, I had worked hard on improving the end product. I had developed a washing procedure that I felt had merit, and while it was similar to that taught by Hoke, it was distinctly different.

I also championed the idea of a second refining (hardly something new, but not commonly practiced by the vast majority of members at that time), as well as eliminating base metals, to limit drag-down of unwanted substances. All too many simply dissolved everything with AR, then precipitated and melted. Shocking, but true.

I promoted these processes in the hopes that others would benefit. I, at no time, had any expectations of profiting from what I posted. Had I expected to do so, it would have never been offered freely, as it has been.

In life, we reap rewards in many ways. I enjoy trying to help others. Some are grateful, while others resent the intrusion. Some even grab the freely offered information and pretend it belongs to them. That's not at all uncommon. My washing procedure, for example, has been promoted by others on a regular basis, often with no mention that it may have come from me. That's the price we pay for sharing. Some folks are highly principled, while others don't have a grasp of the concept.

When I'm gone from this world, I can hope that others that may have benefitted from me will remember me in that light---that I tried to help, and expected nothing in return.

Harold

I agree 100%. I was simply using myself as an example and in no way meant to diminish the contributions of any other member(s). Goldsilverpro also deserves full credit for his work on the gold value by surface area calculations that he has promoted here. There are more examples of well deserving contributions.

Steve
 
Most of us here will gladly give the shirt's off our back to help other's in need, without expecting anything in return, but I get mad as the Dickens when someone would steal our shirt's and sell it, for profit, after being allowed to get this information freely as a member.I for one appreciate what others share here, anytime I take notes of information I will write the authors name down in my notes, this not only reminds me who provided the information and giving them credit, but later (as my memory is very bad) I can determine how valid the information is, because of the integrity of the information a Known author has always given.
 
lazersteve said:
I agree 100%. I was simply using myself as an example and in no way meant to diminish the contributions of any other member(s). Goldsilverpro also deserves full credit for his work on the gold value by surface area calculations that he has promoted here. There are more examples of well deserving contributions.

Steve
I hope you understand I didn't take your comments the wrong way, Steve. More or less just trying to have you understand that we live amongst people who have low moral values and will stop at nothing in bettering their cause. That's probably one of the reasons why I offer everything without strings (aside from demanding respect). If you don't expect kindness from others, you're never disappointed.

One of the things I've found to be true in life is that most folks aren't willing to give the other guy anything free, aside from a bad time.

Harold
 
Harold, thats a very cynical way of looking at things. :shock: :lol:

i totally agree. as a matter of fact, i always say "expect the worse and your never disappointed".
 
i still say that if anyone has this (bootleg book) it should be given away (free) to members or sold by the admin / mods and whoever has claim to the content should have a piece of the pie
 
If this person re-wrote his/her experiences in his own way but learned it here would that be a better way? Take A/p for example, many people are selling this info via ebay and the info is readily on the internet not just here is it now sort of public domain since I'm not sure where the original a/p method came from. a 1:30 am ramble

Steve: PM Sent ( watch out my brain gears are turning)
 
The time is coming near when he who can be trusted teams up with he who has the skills brings you the official answer. LOL
 
I guess our collaboration is the official respond to this blatant plagiaristic act. Any copies of this guide show up as a digital download and we have a strong legal defense.
 
If someone bought the book, I can make it into a readable PDF or whatever, no matter what the original format..
 
BAMGOLD said:
If someone bought the book, I can make it into a readable PDF or whatever, no matter what the original format..


i dont think that this forum group wants electronic copies floating around, makes it easy to bootleg

some members were already upset to the fact that there hard work was taken and sold without permission
 
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