Urban Mining

[lazersteve]

The moderators and Noxx have discussed the use of the robots.txt file privately several times over the past five years. Noxx has determined he would rather have the search engine exposure in leiu of the privacy of the posts.

The bulk of the beginning section of the book in question was written by myself (as seen in the excerpt posted above) and a several other original members of the forum. It's a crying shame that we will not be rewarded as well as a thief is for our own work. If the thief was half a man he would send everyone who contributed the actual written content (as opposed to the copied and pasted content) a royalties check for their contribution to 'his sucess'.

Just my 2 cents.

Steve

 

[Harold_V]

If the thief was half a man he would send everyone who contributed the actual written content (as opposed to the copied and pasted content) a royalties check for their contribution to 'his sucess'.

Yep, and if a bullfrog had wheels, it wouldn't bump its butt on the ground.

You're dealing with a crook, Steve. Why on earth would you expect him to play fair? That's a totally unreasonable expectation from sleaze like this guy.

Harold

 

[nickvc]

I'm sure the gentleman involved will be moving on to other things such as ground unicorn horn and hens teeth anytime soon.. :roll: :lol:

 

[nickvc]

:idea: A better thought for him, how about a detailed booklet on how to recover virgin gold and nano gold from your garden soil with directions to a site that sells the secret fluxes for a nominal sum say....$100 a pound, what a bargain when you think how much gold you will be able to recover :roll:

 

[Oz]

:idea: A better thought for him, how about a detailed booklet on how to recover virgin gold and nano gold from your garden soil with directions to a site that sells the secret fluxes for a nominal sum say....$100 a pound, what a bargain when you think how much gold you will be able to recover :roll:

Sad thing is he/she probably just read what you wrote and may try it.

 

[nickvc]

:idea: A better thought for him, how about a detailed booklet on how to recover virgin gold and nano gold from your garden soil with directions to a site that sells the secret fluxes for a nominal sum say....$100 a pound, what a bargain when you think how much gold you will be able to recover :roll:

Sad thing is he/she probably just read what you wrote and may try it.

We can live in hope...at least we could get them banged up for fraud 8)

 

[necromancer]

The moderators and Noxx have discussed the use of the robots.txt file privately several times over the past five years. Noxx has determined he would rather have the search engine exposure in leiu of the privacy of the posts.

The bulk of the beginning section of the book in question was written by myself (as seen in the excerpt posted above) and a several other original members of the forum. It's a crying shame that we will not be rewarded as well as a thief is for our own work. If the thief was half a man he would send everyone who contributed the actual written content (as opposed to the copied and pasted content) a royalties check for their contribution to 'his sucess'.

Just my 2 cents.

Steve

as always, your 2 cents is well accepted, but if it was me i would not stop at the end of the earth to put the offender on the gallows pole.

i did see the book (start to finish) thats alot of others work to be burrned for !!

 

[lazersteve]

After reflecting on this thread it's very easy to agree with Goldsilverpro on the need to keep your most intimate processes secret. I'm 100% convinced that anything you post on the internet will be plagerized at one point or another. It's a sad world we live in isn't it. If these guys worked half as hard at producing their own work, we may have more valid processes to use as well as more accurate information at our fingertips. They are actually doing a diservice to the field by cutting and pasting fragments of various informtaion. This fragmentation only confuses the novice readers more.

I'm done with my rant, sorry you guys had to hear it, but I needed to vent.

Steve

 

[joem]

After reflecting on this thread it's very easy to agree with Goldsilverpro on the need to keep your most intimate processes secret. I'm 100% convinced that anything you post on the internet will be plagerized at one point or another. It's a sad world we live in isn't it. If these guys worked half as hard at producing their own work, we may have more valid processes to use as well as more accurate information at our fingertips. They are actually doing a diservice to the field by cutting and pasting fragments of various informtaion. This fragmentation only confuses the novice readers more.

I'm done with my rant, sorry you guys had to hear it, but I needed to vent.

Steve

If this person re-wrote his/her experiences in his own way but learned it here would that be a better way? Take A/p for example, many people are selling this info via ebay and the info is readily on the internet not just here is it now sort of public domain since I'm not sure where the original a/p method came from. a 1:30 am ramble

 

[lazersteve]

If you ever want to check the source of a process, search and sort by oldest results first. You'll find the oldest result is most likely the origin, or nearest to it, of the information.

There are so many copy cats out there it's sickening. I don't have a problem with people using the information, or improving on it, but so many try to take ownership of it as 'theirs', rewriting the true history of the process and simultaneously becoming the new 'authority' on the subject to maximize their profits. The ones that suffer from this are the noobs who know no better and start following these 'false prophets'.

In the scientific community it is considered dishonorable to copy/claim anothers work without written permission and proper references.

Try asking one of the sellers of these tutorials where they originally acquired the information and see what kind of answers you get. Everyone is out to make an easy buck on someone else's hard work these days... disgusting.

Steve

 

[joem]

Yes I agree with you, but where does the A/P process come from?
Hoke's book or did it evolve from the computer age?

 

[lazersteve]

Check out this previous forum discussion:

AP History

Steve

 

[joem]

Check out this previous forum discussion:

AP History

Steve

Topic relates to this question ( first 3rd) then goes off the wall then onto zinc
it's ok it happens. Given the time frame of that thread are you the person to be given credit for the a/p process? Seems like it.

 

[Geo]

the first process that describes the AP process i could find was a patent for its use filed 05/07/1986. that doesnt mean it wasnt used before that, but i doubt it was used in the same capacity as we know it now. in the patent, it was being used to recover gold from anode slimes but it was still the same process.

 

[Oz]

the first process that describes the AP process i could find was a patent for its use filed 05/07/1986. that doesnt mean it wasnt used before that, but i doubt it was used in the same capacity as we know it now. in the patent, it was being used to recover gold from anode slimes but it was still the same process.

That is different.
By all means post the patent number, Geo the process sleuth.

 

[Geo]

here you go, http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4670052.html

 

[lazersteve]

I feel I pioneered the use of AP for the purpose of gold recovery from escrap. The cited patent concerns refining gold from slimes. To the best of my knowledge, I was the first to demonstrate the use of a strainer setup in the recovery of gold foils.

There are many other papers and patents utilizing HCl and hydrogen peroxide to dissolve various precious metals.

Steve

 

[Geo]

i agree Steve, you are definitely the man when it comes to AP the way we use it here. if it wasnt for you, there would be a large gap in the processes we have all grown to love. i found the forum by visiting your website and watching your videos. i still have the original bookmark i made almost two years ago.almost everything i know about recovery and refining, i owe to you and will always be grateful.

thank you.

 

[lazersteve]

Imagine if I had earned a 1/2% royalty from everyone that ever used the AP process to recover gold foils from escrap since the day that I demonstrated it years ago. :shock:

Steve

 

[Auggie]

Can I chime in here? I have something to say...why is there such a fuss? Someone took advantage of the internet!!! Call the news!!! We must warn everyone of this scourge!

It has been acknowledged that google indexes this site...that cannot be resolved unless the mod decides to act. On the other hand this has brought in a lot of newcomers and has helped to spread the knowledge of gold refining to those who wanted it = WIN.

People who post writings here know that their writings will be publicly and freely available to anyone with an internet connection...you don't need to be a member and log in to read messages because google indexes the entire forum and will show you the articles without access whereas if you try to come through the front door without a username/pw you will be thwarted. So despite the registration people are still able to read the articles = WIN.

So you are posting your information freely, and google is indexing it freely, and people who search on gold refining terms will find those messages and freely read them = WIN.

But some guy puts a bunch of the info in a book-like document and sells it. I'm sure some of the people who bought it are probably glad they did because maybe their google skills aren't very good, so they got the information they needed to get them some gold = WIN.

Taking someone else's completed work and publishing it as one's own = BAD.
Taking someone else's work and incorporating it into your own work without changing the words = SLIMY.
Taking other people's work and adding your own work and turning it into a new work = THE WRITING PROCESS.

So I see the guy who put this book together as somewhere between 1 & 2. At least he gave credit at the end as arex pointed out, right?

The moral of the story: If you don't want your information freely out there, don't write it in the GRF.