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frank-20011 said:
yesterday i put one of the reaction vessels with the stuff inside in a microwave, only for 1 minute but the little temperature enancement from 20 to 50°C was enough to dessolve the long, thin, colourless cristalls i've describe before but the white cornish stuff on the bottom of the glass stayed in it.
Long needle-like crystals that dissolves in hot water... sounds like lead chloride to me.

There are a number of different methods presented on the forum to deal with metastannic acid, incineration and then leaching with HCl, dissolving it in lye, ignoring it and using wicking to get the gold chloride out without filtering, decanting, filtering slowly... and so on. I haven't done enough testing to recommend one method over others.

Göran
 
Hello

and thanks for yours straight answers!

I don't know if it's tin sludge, i only know there are different base metals (with a lot of solder from the 80's on them so Pb should be present) and now there is these strange sludge on the bottom and i am in fear that this mass disturb the process (if i directly use AR to dissolve the gold WITH the sludge).

My ideas with the HCL-leaching was that it should solve the rest of the base (from the AP) metals without copper, after this the NaOH should neutralize HCl and distroy metastanic and the HNO3 should dissolve the rest of copper...after that, so my thoughts, there should be almost only the gold.
(mhmm...metastanic isn't present, it can only exist after direct reaction of Sn and HNO3-right?)


But as yours told: first I will only filter the sludge after the AP process and store these filterpapers with my other filter papers from "normal" AP (i mean etching fingers from boards) and the filterpapers from deplating cell to process all these filters from different processes together.

One Idea is pyrolising the papers, (leaching em with lye) and then with hot HCl, wash it some times with hot...later destilled water...then process the resulting product direct with my brocken ceramic cpu's in AR.
But first storing the papers and reading more.

One question: what means "ignoring it and using wicking to "...i do not know what is wicking.
And to say it one more time: soryx for my horrible english.

Thank you and regards!
 
frank-20011 said:
One question: what means "ignoring it and using wicking to "...i do not know what is wicking.
Have you tried searching for it? 8)

Göran
 
Hi,

no, i only take a look i a english-german book....o.k., so i will use the fse.


Mhmmm...seems to bee like "sucking" a liquide or something....is that right?

Regards!
 
after that, so my thoughts, there should be almost only the gold.

1) stop "thinking" before reading and reading again (Hoke and the forum! not what you read on wiki or in chemistry books!) until it makes sense to you

(mhmm...metastanic isn't present, it can only exist after direct reaction of Sn and HNO3-right?)

2) wrong, go back to 1)

Sorry, but you will understand why I say this, if you follow this advice. If not, you will not succeed and soon you'll loose any interest in refining.


...and it's metastannic with double "n", like it is most probably metastannic in your solids.
 
Hi,

ohhhkayy, after all it seems to make sense!

But untill the step "storing the filter papers" it is o.k., i hope so!

Regards!
 
frank,
I could be wrong.
You seem to have a problem understanding what is happening and why, it does not look like you understand what you are trying to do, or the answers meant to help, they are not very helpful to you at this point because you have no understanding of what is being said, or why. It is hard for others to help you at this point, because you need a basic understanding before those answers will make any sense to you.

It will take some time to gain that basic understanding, at first is it hard, but becomes easier, as you learn some, you can then build on that understanding to gain more, as you study and experiment to see the results of what you have studied...

First you need to work on the basics, even before trying to learn any specific process, This is where your study of Hokes book will be helpful, reading the book to see how many processes are done and why, doing the getting acquainted experiments to gain an understanding of how different metals react with different acids, why some acids will not react on some metals, and why some metals in some acids create problems, understanding why some things are done certain ways...

Then study and research any process you plan on using (from scrap to final product there may be many different processes used, to prepare scrap, recover values, and refine those values, and several other processes to deal with waste products or even methods to reuse byproducts. and most important is the study of safety when using these processes, or the dangers involved, or the dangers that lurk in each process or solution your dealing with, including things that may be unseen like gases, or dangerous reactions that can be created by mixing chemicals or metals together...

I would be willing to say that you started off doing everything backwards, first jumping in to try processing some scrap to get gold, without having any understanding of the very basic principles, and no understanding of the dangers involved, no real understanding of the different processes including the ones your trying, basically just jumping into a dangerous mess, with no clue of what to do when things go differently than you thought they would, no idea of why things are reacting the way they are, and basically asking questions for help with a problem, that you basically would not even understand (the answer), if you got the answer to those questions.

My suggestion, put away the chemicals for now, and get started off on the right foot, start with Hokes book, and studying the forum, study the safety section and anything you find or can learn to be able to do this work safely, then work with the experiments in Hoke's book, gain some basic understanding, pick a simple material like memory fingers and study each process needed like preparing the scrap, recovering the gold from that scrap, and refining the gold, to melting the gold and dealing with the waste or byproducts, each step will take study, spend all the time you need to be able to understand it.
For example like the copper II chloride etching solution read everything you can find about it, until you have a good understanding of how and why it works, where it will have problems, how you can avoid problems with it, How to rejuvenate or reuse it, and how to deal with the toxic waste from it, also study the dangers of this toxic solution, and how to protect yourself from its dangers, and others who may come into contact with your products...

Doing everything backwards, and then struggling (while losing your values), and searching for answers of how to get out of a dangerous mess, and putting yourself and others in danger in the meantime is not a good or easy way to learn.
In fact that is the worst way to learn, one of the biggest hurdles to overcome for most all new to this science, is to learn how to begin to learn, most all jump in to make a big toxic mess before the have a clue of its dangers...

Taking a little time to learn, and gaining that basic understanding. Then building on that foundation to gain more understanding and learning more on that foundation will put you much closer to that pure gold in your melting dishes, and will ensure less problems along the way, as well as being much safer to you and those around you.

Don't start off by running around blindly in circles, with no idea of where to go next.
Start this with a goal and study to gain the understanding of how to get to that goal.
It is a long journey, but as you put in a few miles it becomes much easier, don't worry about wasting time studying, this is a long journey you will actually save time and trouble, with that time spent to put you much better position and further along on your way...
 
Hello,

yes, I really have to read hookes again, not at the web like till today...I have to print it for better understanding, there are the language problem again and so it's better to have it on paper, in my hands...

Only one word to the waste: here in germany we are in the comfortable situation that anybody can bring his old chemicals, solvents, herbicides and so on to a public rubbish dump, for free. there they collect it and then it get properly disposed.

but why i shouldn't proceed my AP process and store the filter papers with the product from it?

I have processed some kinds of different material in different AP-vessels (old copper klamps with golden tips, the cpu-sockets, eprim-like ic-sockets and fingers from boards too)...often problems result from uncleaned material (rests from solder on cell-phone boards, solder on the copper clamps...)....yes and now I will process the rest of my AP-material and this take a lot of time (glasses standing outdoors) and these time i will use to study hookes again to learn how to process my "sludge" from the differnet vessels.

thanks again!
 
frank-20011 said:
yes, I really have to read [stt]hookes[/stt] again, not at the web like till today...I have to print it for better understanding, there are the language problem again and so it's better to have it on paper, in my hands...
There is a link to a printer friendly version of Hoke's book in my signature line below.
 

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