will ferrous sulphate drop the gold???

[anarxi]

in the beginning I didn't trust it, so I'd come here to verify, and legit everything it was telling me was true. The only thing it gets confused about sometimes and contradicts itself on is selective refining of metals with electrolysis. Guess there's not much info out there on it, but I was able to gather bits and pieces.. and piece them together though. you should give it a try. Its an awesome tool.

it's nothing more than a new religion.
only before it was a god who sees everything and knows everything and he knows better, and now it's artificial intelligence...

 

[Meteoriterocks21]

Never heard about that.
We usually clean it up with HCl and filter it.
Or just buy new, it is cheap.

Wheres a good site or major store I could pick large bags up for cheap?

it's nothing more than a new religion.
only before it was a god who sees everything and knows everything and he knows better, and now it's artificial intelligence...

Zechariah 13:9​

 

[Yggdrasil]

Wheres a good site or major store I could pick large bags up for cheap?

Zechariah 13:9​

I'm stunned....
Plantasjen, Felleskjøpet and so on.
But that is around here.

Ebay, gardening stores and so on should be fine.
Maybe even hardware stores.

Edit to add:
We are a global forum with members around the world.

 

[Shark]

Check Ironite at most any farm store Lowe's had it in stock here yesterday in 10 pound bags.

 

[Shellmichelleo]

You are very correct, I did make a mistake in my use of words, I meant to say sodium metabisulfite, (and not sodium metabisulfate), the endings in these chemical names are important as they contain differing amounts of oxygen and so they can react differently in solution.

Thank you for catching my goof, this also shows me your paying close attention and learning, and if I were allowed to use the wrong name for a chemical, some new member could think that it would work, or that we use that chemical when we do not, and not know I used the wrong name for that chemical, with chemistry and mixing chemicals and metals, using the wrong chemicals or chemical name, could become dangerous, I will post a correction to the post above in red.

Phil,

I think dirty solutions can be hard to precipitate from, no matter what chemical used, take the case of tin in solution for example tin is involved in electronics from the solder, when in a solution dissolved with gold, tin will reduce the gold, forming colloids in solution, these gold metal particles will not settle but become charged particles, and repel each other they will not combine, to precipitate, but keep each other in solution, they also have been reduced to metal gold particles (by the reaction with tin), so they have already have gained back their missing electrons, so adding a copper buss bar will not cement them or reduce them to metals (they are already reduced), these gold particles are already reduced to metal so stannous chloride will not test for gold in this solution, they are already gold metal particles so a chemicals will not reduce them, so we are stuck here, we cannot tell there is gold in this solution and we cannot precipitate the gold unless we can break the colloid, (high heat and raising acid content can help some here).

That is what happened to me. I have this purple solution of colloidal gold. Any more ideas on how to get it back to regular gold?

 

[Yggdrasil]

That is what happened to me. I have this purple solution of colloidal gold. Any more ideas on how to get it back to regular gold?

Butcher is no longer with us, RIP.
The solution is simple though, you need to dissolve the colloidal and then drop as usual.
The amount is negligible though.

 

[Yggdrasil]

That is what happened to me. I have this purple solution of colloidal gold. Any more ideas on how to get it back to regular gold?

Welcome to us by the way.

 

[Marcel]

The beauty of chatGPT. It will tell you any coveted information. We can all kiss Hokes book Goodbye lol

Not fully true. As much as I love AI technology – I consulted an AI app on recovery – the quality of the output varies a lot! In addition to hallucinations and incorrect calculations of chemical reactions (which happen quite often), we now have the problem with the filters of the new models. When I tried to ask GPT o3 mini something about AR, it decided not to give me any details because they are deemed too "dangerous." Upon insisting, I received a warning that my questioning might get me banned from GPT (I am a pro user, paid tier for a year now).

So the information value detoriates due to political or legal issues. GPT tries to avoid to give "dangerous" information to avoid anybody building explosives or toxic substances. Other AI act the same way.

Furthermore, the methods described in this forum are often not standard chemical procedures but "best practices" developed over decades of experience by the users here. That is not part of the training material, so some information, tips, tricks, and hacks will never be found on GPT as it prefers to cite standard chemistry. Recovery and refining is a very specialized field, and you will be missing a lot if you solely rely on GPT. It is like relying on Wikipedia or Google – both are powerful for standard information research, but as you go into details, you may not find the best route for recovering mixed material and the challenges we face here.

As an example, while translating and republishing Hoke's "Testing precious Metals" I did find some "forgotten" methods that an internet research would not dig out today...

So we will still need both until AGI arrives one fine day maybe ;-)

 

[Yggdrasil]

Not fully true. As much as I love AI technology – I consulted an AI app on recovery – the quality of the output varies a lot! In addition to hallucinations and incorrect calculations of chemical reactions (which happen quite often), we now have the problem with the filters of the new models. When I tried to ask GPT o3 mini something about AR, it decided not to give me any details because they are deemed too "dangerous." Upon insisting, I received a warning that my questioning might get me banned from GPT (I am a pro user, paid tier for a year now).

So the information value detoriates due to political or legal issues. GPT tries to avoid to give "dangerous" information to avoid anybody building explosives or toxic substances. Other AI act the same way.

Furthermore, the methods described in this forum are often not standard chemical procedures but "best practices" developed over decades of experience by the users here. That is not part of the training material, so some information, tips, tricks, and hacks will never be found on GPT as it prefers to cite standard chemistry. Recovery and refining is a very specialized field, and you will be missing a lot if you solely rely on GPT. It is like relying on Wikipedia or Google – both are powerful for standard information research, but as you go into details, you may not find the best route for recovering mixed material and the challenges we face here.

As an example, while translating and republishing Hoke's "Testing precious Metals" I did find some "forgotten" methods that an internet research would not dig out today...

So we will still need both until AGI arrives one fine day maybe ;-)

I totally agree.
Another issue is that in order to make use of the advice from these AI like search engines
you actually need to have sufficient information/knowledge to be able to assess the quality of the answers.
Which quite many of the novices do not have.
So asking advice form these "parrots" in many cases pose more danger than searching the old fashioned way.
Maybe even more so than relying of dubious Youtube videos.