Platuim ore

[minero74]

Thank You Guys for the reply.

Yes that green color
almost exactly the green color i get
I was in Nevada
exploring some abandoned old mine
that it supposed to be gold mine

We pick up some ore crushed and panned
and we get this beautiful yellow thing

I think i will get rich ,but I was very wrong
some one I guess He told me that is
Wulfenite is a lead molybdate mineral.

My Dreams of become rich is gone

I crushed few rocks and i put it in aqua regia

filter it and test it with stannous chloride
and i get first abrown,then turn into a nice green
color
No gold in those ore rocks

 

[minero74]

This are the thing I get when i panned those ore

 

[andu]

I do hope you can get one. There may be a lot more to the permit than you think.
Is the area where you live designated for chemical buisinesses? if not, do you have a place in an industrial area?
Can you provide a risk assesment for the surrounding area and the gasses you will expell in an emergency situation like a fire ( even one next door, or natural forest fire)?
Do you have the proper storage facility with safety measures for the chemicals and waste?
Once authorities find out you're refining pm's, you will have to provide an administration proving the source of you gold, and where you sold it, how much you're going to have to pay on taxes, have a good waste disposal plan, etc. etc. it can be done, but may prove to be not so much fun as a hobby anymore.
There are laws preventing trade in bouillon to keep criminals down, hence the move to digital money all around the world.
Once you've applied for a permit and it get's denied, prepare to be visited to check on your activities.

I don't plan to do any huge amounts, I could get a industrial area place for the right opportunity i guess. I could asses the risk simply because of the ridiculous amount i would be able to prove i hold (of reactants and what i used them for).
Do i have to pay taxes for small amounts refined? Can i pay in silver?
I know of no laws for bullion here, other than having to prove provenience on some occasions, like if it suspected stolen.
I don't really mind, i don't have much to hide.
Also, if the permit is denied the nitrate is legal.

 

[stella polaris]

This are the thing I get when i panned those ore

Well, in my eyes it looks like you have some fine gold in your pan. If the yellow stuff is not sulfides then solve a little in AR and then make a stannious test.

 

[Alondro]

There are many substances that react with or behaves as catalysts for Peroxide.
So if that is considered a test, it will for all practical purposes only say that something reacts with the Peroxide.
For pure metals it is a different story, one might get some indications on the reaction speed compared to other metals.

I put 3% peroxide on a scratch on my arm! It fizzed A LOT!! Clearly, this means my arm is made of platinum! WOO-HOO!!!

lol, some people really need to learn at least the BASICS of chemistry before trying this stuff.

There is no easy way to quantify the reaction rate of hydrogen peroxide with any substance. That would be an incredibly complex procedure AND it still is subject to enormous variations when dealing with an ORE made up of potentially dozens of minerals and metal compounds! Reaction rate tests are usually done with PURE metals and compounds, because otherwise the results are meaningless.

 

[Alondro]

All this platinum ore talk yet not a single picture, it only two pieces of stone i normally keep in my aquarium, but this is definetly platinum, picture does not make justice to this gorgeous stone. Funny note is that a bit of iron oxide started coming out on one side after all the time in water, yet the whole of it is filled with platings of platinum. I would take a better pic but not waking from bed rn

That just looks like mica flakes.

 

[minero74]

Hello Stella
we do exactly that
we put it AR ,put a shot of sulfuric acid
filter it and do the stannous chloride test
Not purple stain
just get a green color stain

Yes It’s look yellow and dense
it fools me and others peoples that are prospecting for gold for many years.
but when i put under a microscope is way different is not metallic
is like some kind of yellow/red cristals

we found out it’s called
Wulfenite some kind of Lead thing

that zone for where we took it
is well know for Silver,lead and for gold

 

[andu]

I think what the use of hcl and peroxide entiles is not dissolving platinum but base metals?

lol, some people really need to learn at least the BASICS of chemistry before trying this stuff.

There is no easy way to quantify the reaction rate of hydrogen peroxide with any substance. That would be an incredibly complex procedure AND it still is subject to enormous variations when dealing with an ORE made up of potentially dozens of minerals and metal compounds! Reaction rate tests are usually done with PURE metals and compounds, because otherwise the results are meaningless.

That just looks like mica flakes.

I am yet to test that, probably not soon, with 26%hcl and 9% peroxide.

 

[Yggdrasil]

I think what the use of hcl and peroxide entiles is not dissolving platinum but base metals?



I am yet to test that, probably not soon, with 26%hcl and 9% peroxide.

HCl and strong Peroxide do dissolve fine powder of Pt and Pd. But it is much slower than AR.
The beauty is, that there is no Nitric to deal with and the Peroxide itself will decompose quickly when heated.

All methods has their strengths and weaknesses.

 

[andu]

Uhm, so you mean when i warm my solutions in hot water bath with hydrogen peroxide i'm wasting it and i should instead cool it down? I thought the exothermic reaction was a blessing.

 

[Yggdrasil]

Uhm, so you mean when i warm my solutions in hot water bath with hydrogen peroxide i'm wasting it and i should instead cool it down? I thought the exothermic reaction was a blessing.

No, but the heat increases the rate of decomposing. And the effectivity. So if you bring it to a prolonged heating close to boiling it will shorten the time to live for the Peroxide.
The same for Bleach.
It might even not be necessary to drive it off.

Exo thermic means it gives off heat to the surroundings and endo thermic that it “steals” heat from the surroundings.


Edit for clarity.

 

[Alondro]

I think what the use of hcl and peroxide entiles is not dissolving platinum but base metals?



I am yet to test that, probably not soon, with 26%hcl and 9% peroxide.

You don't want to do that with an ore. You have no idea what else is in there. That's why it's better to roast the ore, then smelt with a collector metal and cupel. Then you have a bead (or not if there's nothing in the ore) which is MUCH easier to analyze chemically.

 

[Nountaineer]

Hello Stella
we do exactly that
we put it AR ,put a shot of sulfuric acid
filter it and do the stannous chloride test
Not purple stain
just get a green color stain

Yes It’s look yellow and dense
it fools me and others peoples that are prospecting for gold for many years.
but when i put under a microscope is way different is not metallic
is like some kind of yellow/red cristals

we found out it’s called
Wulfenite some kind of Lead thing

that zone for where we took it
is well know for Silver,lead and for gold

Lead molybdate is wulfenite

 

[minero74]

Lead molybdate is wulfenite

Yes it is
I have a pictures of Wulfenite in a pan
confuse me and others
because it was very dense,not like gold
that was make me doubt about it
until a friend told that it was Wulfenite
never seen before
very confusing
look at the picture

 

[Nountaineer]

Yes it is
I have a pictures of Wulfenite in a pan
confuse me and others
because it was very dense,not like gold
that was make me doubt about it
until a friend told that it was Wulfenite
never seen before
very confusing
look at the picture

Yellow, resinous is the common form of wulfenite. The Smithsonian has specimens from the same mineralized zone as my silver deposit. It is 4inches on its sides and is from the Glove mine.

 

[MicheleM]

OP: All these Platinum threads but no picture or other evidences , so now i really curious to see some platinum nuggets or powders.
Do you guys have something to show? ,

 

[Nountaineer]

I would be happy to show my rich platinum gold ore if I knew how to use a smart phone better. I have no computer available or internet. I will email photos to anyone who wants to post them for me. I am only switching over from my flip phone now so just learning.

 

[user 68538]

What are you talking about here?
Nobody asked for the SG of the pure metals.
So unless you tell us how you test for Platinum in an ore with Peroxide, I'm tempted to say you are wrong,

I'm talking about the market controlling lieing brother. Perhaps not on purpose, but most people, deliberately give false information to keep people confused. I brought up specific gravities, because here in USA, almost everything is a lie. And God forbid correcting someone.
I apologize Yggdrasil, you've been cool.
I'm just getting really exhausted with the wolves in sheep clothing.

I have a 4 lb. Iron, Platinum, Rhodium rock ore
160 gram artifact- Lead59% Iridium38%
And a rare Arthur Court silver plated Pallidium candlestick holder - 311 grams
And because everyone is taught and told the wrong science, I cant sell any items.
Even after XRF readings and acid tests.
Very very very frustrating.

 

[Yggdrasil]

I'm talking about the market controlling lieing brother. Perhaps not on purpose, but most people, deliberately give false information to keep people confused. I brought up specific gravities, because here in USA, almost everything is a lie. And God forbid correcting someone.
I apologize Yggdrasil, you've been cool.
I'm just getting really exhausted with the wolves in sheep clothing.

I have a 4 lb. Iron, Platinum, Rhodium rock ore
160 gram artifact- Lead59% Iridium38%
And a rare Arthur Court silver plated Pallidium candlestick holder - 311 grams
And because everyone is taught and told the wrong science, I cant sell any items.
Even after XRF readings and acid tests.
Very very very frustrating.

Just because you don’t like the information you are given does not mean you are lied to.
Metallic items are ok to test with XRF in the right mode.
Ore might be tested but are completely dependent that you have correct libraries loaded and so on.

The only item here suited for XRF is the candlestick holder, but that one do not make sense.
No one would Silver plate Palladium, would they?
There are a few rare pieces of Silver that is Rhodium plated, which made sense when Rhodium was cheap.

The ore is a different story.
Typical PGM content in really rich ores is like a few grams per Ton.
That means you don’t have enough to rise anyones interest. Unless you have a collectible item there is very little value there, at most a milligram or three.

 

[user 68538]

Just because you don’t like the information you are given does not mean you are lied to.
Metallic items are ok to test with XRF in the right mode.
Ore might be tested but are completely dependent that you have correct libraries loaded and so on.

The only item here suited for XRF is the candlestick holder, but that one do not make sense.
No one would Silver plate Palladium, would they?
There are a few rare pieces of Silver that is Rhodium plated, which made sense when Rhodium was cheap.

The ore is a different story.
Typical PGM content in really rich ores is like a few grams per Ton.
That means you don’t have enough to rise anyones interest. Unless you have a collectible item there is very little value there, at most a milligram or three.

Thanks man....,however I'm actually excited about the tests and information I'm given.
It seems - and I hate to say this - but sense I'm a sigma empath, I know damn well whats going on in the minds when engaging with people. And it doesn't help that Seattle got rated #1 sadest city in America. Which I knew before the new poll came out.
Point is, after passing XRf, acid, and even a density scale tests, plus having a Pallidium hallmark on 1 item, the LCS' or gold buying companies here not only just say no, but start yelling and screaming in public in front of people. They are liars, thiefs and highly racist and discriminative. And if your'e good looking, black, brown, in shape, have a good attitude, you're totally fu#ked as soon as you walk in. I'm a little buzzed, bare with my rant. So when I came here I thought this site seemed not at all biased. But then I'm reading flat out lies about stuff. People get passionate and excited in life about things, especially a hobby/business like this. But like my coin collecting days, the people in charge ruined my favorite hobby. But anyway thats that...I know all over the place. But check these out.

Hold on mate, put on the brakes now.
You need to get down to earth!
Nickel and Copper are quite close in density both around 8.9, so maybe you are the evil one?
I do not see how you can test an ore by knowing Pt is 21.45 and not 19.3 which is Gold.
It is infinitesimally small amount of PMs in an ore so density only tells approximately what mineral it is.

Unless you have more substantial info on how one can test an ore for PGMs with Peroxide I suggest you stop now.

Mass/Density numbers are in the middle. Move a decimal over 1 to left.
Look at Gold and Silver - they are correct densities +/- .2 grams