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andrewmccoy38

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Good Afternoon Everyone,

I’m looking at building my first silver cell and was curious, instead of a graphite block or stainless bowl, can brass be used as the cathode? I’ve been trying to do research on the topic but cannot find any information.

Thanks
 
why would you want to do that? you can't afford the $20 ss bowl? zinc (one of the elements of the brass alloy) is HIGHLY REACTIVE on the reactivity series of metals, and will not like being in your electrolyte.
 
Very very bad idea use a piece of stainless steel or graphite or a stainless bowl or you will encounter problems. If you decide to use stainless steel check it’s not magnetic.
 
Good Afternoon Everyone,

I’m looking at building my first silver cell and was curious, instead of a graphite block or stainless bowl, can brass be used as the cathode? I’ve been trying to do research on the topic but cannot find any information.

Thanks
Welcome to us.
I find that your research amount is on the shy side of what is necessary.
The advice you have been given is good.

Here is for your continuing research:

We ask our new members to do 3 things.
1. Read C.M. Hokes book on refining jewelers scrap, it gives an easy introduction to the most important chemistry regarding refining.
It is free here on the forum: https://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19798
2. Then read the safety section of the forum: https://goldrefiningforum.com/forums/safety.47/
3. And then read about "Dealing with waste" in the forum: https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/dealing-with-waste.10539/

Suggested reading:
https://goldrefiningforum.com/forums/the-library.101/
https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/when-in-doubt-cement-it-out.30236/
https://goldrefiningforum.com/threa...le-read-this-before-you-post-about-ore.33333/


Forum rules is here.
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why would you want to do that? you can't afford the $20 ss bowl? zinc (one of the elements of the brass alloy) is HIGHLY REACTIVE on the reactivity series of metals, and will not like being in your electrolyte.
I don’t want to do it, and yes I can afford a $20 bowl. Like I stated, was just curious on what can and cannot be used. If you can’t ask questions, what’s the point of a forum? Thanks for the reply though.
 
I don’t want to do it, and yes I can afford a $20 bowl. Like I stated, was just curious on what can and cannot be used. If you can’t ask questions, what’s the point of a forum? Thanks for the reply though.

Many of the members have long experience in recovery and refining so they forget that new members don’t yet fully understand what reacts to what chemicals , it takes time and lots of reading to get to the starter stage in my opinion .
We actually encourage questions as I’m sure you will not be the only one with the same questions and asking is better than making a complete mess that may leave you feeling like giving up.
Many many processes and other topics are fully discussed here on the forum and we encourage new members to do the basics like reading , or will save much time and grief later.
 
I don’t want to do it, and yes I can afford a $20 bowl. Like I stated, was just curious on what can and cannot be used. If you can’t ask questions, what’s the point of a forum? Thanks for the reply though.
i am/was still generally interested on why such a question came to mind. but, to blindly answer your question, here goes. in order to keep your cell producing a pure product, you have to use materials that will not want to go into solution while you are refining you desired element. in order to dissolve silver and pass silver ions through your electrolyte, people generally use silver nitrate. this is pure silver dissolved in nitric acid. that same electrolyte solution will want to dissolve the metals that could contaminate it. any equipment used in your cell must be able to withstand the electrolyte, while the process is running. brass will dissolve in a silver electrolyte, as it contains mostly copper and some zinc (depending upon the alloy of brass). in fact, zinc will react violently with silver nitrate, depending upon how warm your solution is. i'm not sure how violenly the brass will react as an alloy, but i'm sure it will go into solution, and eat up any free nitrate while precipitating out any/all silver in said solution. you see, anything below silver on the reactivity series of metals will contaminate your electrolyte, and when your electrolyte reaches a particular level of contamination, it will begin contaminating your finished product. these metals would include copper, zine, iron, etc. this is why nick was ensuring that your SS bowl is non-magnetic, as it would contain too much iron and would allow it to give up iron ions and contaminate your finished product. a non-magentic stainless steel will not give up those iron ions, as they are bonded with the other ingredients of the stainless alloy. you could use pure gold, or PGM metals, or titanium for you cathode, but dollar for dollar, non-magnetic stainless steel is the most economical way of holding the electrolyte, being an electrode to pass electrical current and silver ions, while not dissolving/contaminating into your electrolyte. please take a little time to familiarize yourself with the reactivity series of metals. the first i was introduced to it, was a video of waste solution disposal from sreetips. he is very good at explaining the broad strokes of chemistry. i hope this helps.
 
Many of the members have long experience in recovery and refining so they forget that new members don’t yet fully understand what reacts to what chemicals , it takes time and lots of reading to get to the starter stage in my opinion .
We actually encourage questions as I’m sure you will not be the only one with the same questions and asking is better than making a complete mess that may leave you feeling like giving up.
Many many processes and other topics are fully discussed here on the forum and we encourage new members to do the basics like reading , or will save much time and grief later.
Thanks for the reply. I enjoy the hobby and trying to learn all I can.
 
i am/was still generally interested on why such a question came to mind. but, to blindly answer your question, here goes. in order to keep your cell producing a pure product, you have to use materials that will not want to go into solution while you are refining you desired element. in order to dissolve silver and pass silver ions through your electrolyte, people generally use silver nitrate. this is pure silver dissolved in nitric acid. that same electrolyte solution will want to dissolve the metals that could contaminate it. any equipment used in your cell must be able to withstand the electrolyte, while the process is running. brass will dissolve in a silver electrolyte, as it contains mostly copper and some zinc (depending upon the alloy of brass). in fact, zinc will react violently with silver nitrate, depending upon how warm your solution is. i'm not sure how violenly the brass will react as an alloy, but i'm sure it will go into solution, and eat up any free nitrate while precipitating out any/all silver in said solution. you see, anything below silver on the reactivity series of metals will contaminate your electrolyte, and when your electrolyte reaches a particular level of contamination, it will begin contaminating your finished product. these metals would include copper, zine, iron, etc. this is why nick was ensuring that your SS bowl is non-magnetic, as it would contain too much iron and would allow it to give up iron ions and contaminate your finished product. a non-magentic stainless steel will not give up those iron ions, as they are bonded with the other ingredients of the stainless alloy. you could use pure gold, or PGM metals, or titanium for you cathode, but dollar for dollar, non-magnetic stainless steel is the most economical way of holding the electrolyte, being an electrode to pass electrical current and silver ions, while not dissolving/contaminating into your electrolyte. please take a little time to familiarize yourself with the reactivity series of metals. the first i was introduced to it, was a video of waste solution disposal from sreetips. he is very good at explaining the broad strokes of chemistry. i hope this helps.
I knew about stainless and graphite, just wasn’t all to familiar with all the metals on the reactivity series. I have a ton of brass laying around is what sparked the question. Thanks for your reply though and explaining it in detail. I’ve been watching a lot of sreetips trying to learn the hobby. I thoroughly enjoy it and just trying to learn all I can. Have a great night.
 
you see, anything below silver on the reactivity series of metals will contaminate your electrolyte

Actually you have it backwards

Anything ABOVE silver in the reactive series is what will contaminate your electrolyte & that is because the metals "above" silver are MORE reactive to the nitric acid in the electrolyte that the silver is dissolved in - which is the very principle behind why we use copper to cement the silver back out of a solution of silver nitrate

That is why nickvc said that trying to use a brass cathode in your silver cell is a Very, very bad idea

And that is because brass - which is an alloy of copper/zinc - both of which are ABOVE silver (& therefore MORE reactive then silver) will cause the silver in the electrolyte to start cementing out of the electrolyte - if you try to use brass as a cathode in the silver cell & in that process of the silver being cemented out by the brass it also starts contaminating the electrolyte with copper (&/or zinc) because the copper/zinc metal (which is ABOVE silver) starts dissolving & going into solution thereby forcing the silver (which is BELOW copper/zinc) to fall out of the solution as actual silver metal

Metals like gold & PGM (with the exception of palladium) will NOT contaminate the electrolyte & that is because they are BELOW silver in the reactive series

And that is why if you run a silver anode in you silver cell - that has "some" gold &/or PGMs in your silver anode - the gold & PGMs remain in the anode slimes & DON'T go into the electrolyte

It is because gold & PGMs are BELOW silver in the reactive series - so they DON'T dissolve & go into the electrolyte to contaminate the electrolyte - but instead stay in the anode slimes

The exception to that is palladium - most of which will stay in the anode slims - but - "some" of which will also dissolve & go into (contaminate) the electrolyte

I don't have time right now to explain why palladium is an "exception" to the rule (of the reactive series))

My point is that you have it backwards

Metals ABOVE silver are the metals that will contaminate your electrolyte

And the metals BELOW silver are the ones that DON'T contaminate your electrolytes (Pd being the exception)

Kurt
 
Actually you have it backwards

Anything ABOVE silver in the reactive series is what will contaminate your electrolyte & that is because the metals "above" silver are MORE reactive to the nitric acid in the electrolyte that the silver is dissolved in - which is the very principle behind why we use copper to cement the silver back out of a solution of silver nitrate

That is why nickvc said that trying to use a brass cathode in your silver cell is a Very, very bad idea

And that is because brass - which is an alloy of copper/zinc - both of which are ABOVE silver (& therefore MORE reactive then silver) will cause the silver in the electrolyte to start cementing out of the electrolyte - if you try to use brass as a cathode in the silver cell & in that process of the silver being cemented out by the brass it also starts contaminating the electrolyte with copper (&/or zinc) because the copper/zinc metal (which is ABOVE silver) starts dissolving & going into solution thereby forcing the silver (which is BELOW copper/zinc) to fall out of the solution as actual silver metal

Metals like gold & PGM (with the exception of palladium) will NOT contaminate the electrolyte & that is because they are BELOW silver in the reactive series

And that is why if you run a silver anode in you silver cell - that has "some" gold &/or PGMs in your silver anode - the gold & PGMs remain in the anode slimes & DON'T go into the electrolyte

It is because gold & PGMs are BELOW silver in the reactive series - so they DON'T dissolve & go into the electrolyte to contaminate the electrolyte - but instead stay in the anode slimes

The exception to that is palladium - most of which will stay in the anode slims - but - "some" of which will also dissolve & go into (contaminate) the electrolyte

I don't have time right now to explain why palladium is an "exception" to the rule (of the reactive series))

My point is that you have it backwards

Metals ABOVE silver are the metals that will contaminate your electrolyte

And the metals BELOW silver are the ones that DON'T contaminate your electrolytes (Pd being the exception)

Kurt
that is correct. above. when i see the list (in my head), i put the PGMs at the top of the list, and work my way down. thanks for the correction.
 

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