catalytic converter smelter (small and large amounts welcome)

[PeterM]

Correct, it's on me. One can choose for their best interest. I'm offering a service. I can pay for the cats if needed Or a set fee per cat or batch for processing. Customer's choice.
There is enough value for both ends.

It's pretty much like others have said, there are many refiners here and your actually "Preaching to the Choir" here. This isn't the type of place customers go to looking to do business, except the occasionally a passing African Scammers and they never past the sniff test because their too stupid. I wish you luck, let us know how it works out for ya...? I know of a guy that made a fortune doing Cat Convertors with a Hot Sulfuric digest(with no roast needed) and afterwards a precipitation. I've done it this way on complex gold ores countless times, it's all done in glass reactors at H2SO4 fuming temperatures, however please don't try it, I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

 

[catalyticconvertersmelter]

It's pretty much like others have said, there are many refiners here and your actually "Preaching to the Choir" here. This isn't the type of place customers go to looking to do business, except the occasionally a passing African Scammers and they never past the sniff test because their too stupid. I wish you luck, let us know how it works out for ya...? I read the 44033663-Platinumills....pdf, it has it's merits but I wouldn't do it that way. I know of a guy that made a fortune doing Cat Convertors with a Hot Sulfuric digest(with no roast needed) and afterwards a precipitation. I've done it this way on complex gold ores countless times, it's all done in glass reactors at H2SO4 fuming temperatures, however please don't try it, I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

What a day, Actually a preacher once ran off with my money after offering he can make windows for my home. Then one day after months of no show I happened to walk into his church. No words spoken to keep him from embarrassenent. He soon showed up to do the job. Maybe not a place for customers, but my offer is there. Trust me I've read alot of the Posts before I decided to post myself. I didn't even bother opening that file you just suggested. I had to retire my ore processing plant due to issues not fond about. I have no doubt you have your process. I also have no doubt my ore processing plant can make your operation look like a kiddy toy. Notice you are a well known member here. Your processing plant didn't need you around I see. My time was spent on my plant. Was your time spent here?
I can provide you with videos/ pictures ,name of plant along with matching claims to my registered name. Can you? Show and so will I . Let others be the judge. Then keep your mouth shut after proven so . Complex ore, who are you kidding?

 

[Yggdrasil]

What a day, Actually a preacher once ran off with my money after offering he can make windows for my home. Then one day after months of no show I happened to walk into his church. No words spoken to keep him from embarrassenent. He soon showed up to do the job. Maybe not a place for customers, but my offer is there. Trust me I've read alot of the Posts before I decided to post myself. I didn't even bother opening that file you just suggested. I had to retire my ore processing plant due to issues not fond about. I have no doubt you have your process. I also have no doubt my ore processing plant can make your operation look like a kiddy toy. Notice you are a well known member here. Your processing plant didn't need you around I see. My time was spent on my plant. Was your time spent here?
I can provide you with videos/ pictures ,name of plant along with matching claims to my registered name. Can you? Show and so will I . Let others be the judge. Then keep your mouth shut after proven so . Complex ore, who are you kidding?

Cool it mate, no need for calling each other out.

 

[kurtak]

The one cat part got me. I wonder what the rates on that are?

Having done my fair share of smelting - I would likely have to charge the customer to smelt one CAT - not pay out

Kurt

 

[catalyticconvertersmelter]

With much respect. Was called out, just ready to prove those wrong.
My post was all about extraction, never spoke of refining.

 

[snoman701]

I asked what collector metals because there are only a couple of ways to process "one" cat and get 98% recovery that you can then pay on. So I ask, are you crushing ceramic to 200 mesh, sampling, then assaying via nickel sulfide fusion and ICP......OR.....are you extracting the PGM's via a an isolated smelt, then assaying resultant collector for PGM's and paying on that.

Sharing a little bit of procedural knowhow goes a long ways in proving you are what you say you are.

There are methods, that with volume and appropriate plant infrastructure, could pay either way.

 

[catalyticconvertersmelter]

Having done my fair share of smelting - I would likely have to charge the customer to smelt one CAT - not pay out

Kurt

Home made furnace, I would assume so. Art of smelting is wonderful.
Might have to change my post.

Fine I will buy cat's for 15 percent more than what's offered.

 

[kurtak]

Home made furnace, I would assume so. Art of smelting is wonderful.

Yes - homemade furnace - takes a #40 crucible

Concerning safety - not that big of an issue - your playing with fire - so don't get burned

Smelting has been discussed EXTENSIVELY on this forum including smelting of precious metal containing ceramics such as CATs & ceramic capacitors -- as has been said - there are not a lot of "secrets" about recovery &/or refining that haven't been discussed "in detail" on this forum & safety is a BIG part of that discussion

Kurt

 

[kurtak]

Just some of my smelted products (after pouring to cone mold)

Some of those cones likely included smelt of crushed CAT combs &/or ceramic capacitors

 

[catalyticconvertersmelter]

I asked what collector metals because there are only a couple of ways to process "one" cat and get 98% recovery that you can then pay on. So I ask, are you crushing ceramic to 200 mesh, sampling, then assaying via nickel sulfide fusion and ICP......OR.....are you extracting the PGM's via a an isolated smelt, then assaying resultant collector for PGM's and paying on that.

Sharing a little bit of procedural knowhow goes a long ways in proving you are what you say you are.

There are methods, that with volume and appropriate plant infrastructure, could pay either way

I asked what collector metals because there are only a couple of ways to process "one" cat and get 98% recovery that you can then pay on. So I ask, are you crushing ceramic to 200 mesh, sampling, then assaying via nickel sulfide fusion and ICP......OR.....are you extracting the PGM's via a an isolated smelt, then assaying resultant collector for PGM's and paying on that.

Sharing a little bit of procedural knowhow goes a long ways in proving you are what you say you are.

There are methods, that with volume and appropriate plant infrastructure, could pay either way.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I offered either to buy the cats for a bit over the selling price most middle man's pay for. Not the actual precious metals contained. For those that don't have the ability to supply the demand or amount needed for the bigger refineries to take it.
The other offer was for me to extract the values for a set fee regardless if it happens to contain only 1 gram of PM's or for some odd reason it has a kilo of PM's . The customer then decides now to refine for learning, selling as is or get the most of their dollar for their cats. They have to provide a good cat to get good values. I can take a bit extra steps needed to get it ready for easier refining. Perhaps help out a bit when the ball gets rolling. That's why I ask what the customer wants, and provide what is needed after hearing them out and get to an agreement and explain the best path to take for their interests. Working together. I'm not sending them to noman's land. Im actually trying to help. My overhead costs is not much compared to others expecting to make a killing. I'm very reasonable and understanding.

 

[snoman701]

So are you also able to provide assay services? Ie, I crush mix and sample 100 lbs of ceramics, you do the nickel sulfide fusion and ICP analysis?

I have been out of the cat buying game for a while. Still have more than a few lying around though. Buyers were eager to slit each others throats up until Rh dropped back to 12k. Now they don't want to return phone calls and their margins have went up considerably.

 

[kurtak]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I offered either to buy the cats for a bit over the selling price most middle man's pay for. Not the actual precious metals contained. For those that don't have the ability to supply the demand or amount needed for the bigger refineries to take it.
The other offer was for me to extract the values for a set fee regardless if it happens to contain only 1 gram of PM's or for some odd reason it has a kilo of PM's . The customer then decides now to refine for learning, selling as is or get the most of their dollar for their cats. They have to provide a good cat to get good values. I can take a bit extra steps needed to get it ready for easier refining. Perhaps help out a bit when the ball gets rolling. That's why I ask what the customer wants, and provide what is needed after hearing them out and get to an agreement and explain the best path to take for their interests. Working together. I'm not sending them to noman's land. Im actually trying to help. My overhead costs is not much compared to others expecting to make a killing. I'm very reasonable and understanding.

Per the bold print above - OK - I may be interested - don't have time to post more right now but will (likely tomorrow)

Kurt

 

[PeterM]

What a day, Actually a preacher once ran off with my money after offering he can make windows for my home. Then one day after months of no show I happened to walk into his church. No words spoken to keep him from embarrassenent. He soon showed up to do the job. Maybe not a place for customers, but my offer is there. Trust me I've read alot of the Posts before I decided to post myself. I didn't even bother opening that file you just suggested. I had to retire my ore processing plant due to issues not fond about. I have no doubt you have your process. I also have no doubt my ore processing plant can make your operation look like a kiddy toy. Notice you are a well known member here. Your processing plant didn't need you around I see. My time was spent on my plant. Was your time spent here?
I can provide you with videos/ pictures ,name of plant along with matching claims to my registered name. Can you? Show and so will I . Let others be the judge. Then keep your mouth shut after proven so . Complex ore, who are you kidding?

Mr. catalyticconvertersmelter, touche' LOL your have no idea who I am, what I've done and gold bars I produced while 45 years of mining in South America and West Africa. Everyone in this forum already knows your small potatoes....

 

[catalyticconvertersmelter]

ByI asked what collector metals because there are only a couple of ways to process "one" cat and get 98% recovery that you can then pay on. So I ask, are you crushing ceramic to 200 mesh, sampling, then assaying via nickel sulfide fusion and ICP......OR.....are you extracting the PGM's via a an isolated smelt, then assaying resultant collector for PGM's and paying on that.

Sharing a little bit of procedural knowhow goes a long ways in proving you are what you say you are.

There are methods, that with volume and appropriate plant infrastructure, could pay either way

Yes - homemade furnace - takes a #40 crucible

Concerning safety - not that big of an issue - your playing with fire - so don't get burned

Smelting has been discussed EXTENSIVELY on this forum including smelting of precious metal containing ceramics such as CATs & ceramic capacitors -- as has been said - there are not a lot of "secrets" about recovery &/or refining that haven't been discussed "in detail" on this forum & safety is a BIG part of that discussion

Kurt

Thanks for your input. Nice furnace set up, have a few of those for backups.. Wish at times I didn't invest in other furnaces where maintenance is a big issue. Miss them days using back yard furnace o shade tree furnace back when I started. But very handy to get you from a bind. Ofcourse I still use them from time to time on downtime days.

N

So are you also able to provide assay services? Ie, I crush mix and sample 100 lbs of ceramics, you do the nickel sulfide fusion and ICP analysis?

I have been out of the cat buying game for a while. Still have more than a few lying around though. Buyers were eager to slit each others throats up until Rh dropped back to 12k. Now they don't want to return phone calls and their margins have went up considerably.

Not interested in doing assays for others. Too many problems. I've seen many people with that fever. I've helped out a plant last year trying to figure out why their assays were wrong and unable to extract the values from their ore. After they spent 2 million dollars I arrived to help. I found out the problem. Too many hands in the pie,too many investers. Dirty tricks up people sleeves to milk the investers. I didn't want any part of that. I'm just a honest hard working person that values my skills. I'll return phone call. Hey I'm here still trying to answer everybody's good/bad comments. I'm not staying quiet. They were just too quick to judge. . PM me If you like along with others and let me hear you all out.

 

[catalyticconvertersmelter]

Mr. catalyticconvertersmelter, touche' LOL your have no idea who I am, what I've done and gold bars I produced while 45 years of mining in South America and West Africa. Everyone in this forum already knows your small potatoes....

Peter, why hate on my username, obviously it got your attention. On this forum we had a choice to choose a name that fits best. I don't know who you are but you came to this post for a reason. I'm not here to judge, I'm here offering a service. If you can't help others on this post find a post where you can. Only if you knew what I also produced in my life working with others then expanding on my own with no investers but myself you would understand why I'm firm from not shying away from here. Everyone knows. Let them make their decision. Not your actions make it for them. If you can't provide a service to benefit those in need besides having them drain their pockets on a wild goose chase looking for help in different posts and sending them off to read Hoke's then back off. That causes a fever for a lot of newbies.
To those reading, I'm not a newbie, happens to be these few members try to bully their way around with their status. Some are understanding now. I'm answering all questions possible, clients or not. I'm not going to guide you through a wild goose chase.

 

[4metals]

Not interested in doing assays for others.

That's fair, but if you are running a successful operation you must be doing them for yourself. I ran a refinery for years and never took in outside assay work. It would be a conflict of interest. But I had to do it to operate the refinery. But here you are, instead of offering a simple answer like "I have a fire assay lab and I use an Atomic Absorption for PGM's" you back into a corner and come out swinging.

I'm answering all questions possible, clients or not.

Really, in your dreams, you are avoiding all questions possible and trying to deflect. This is not my first rodeo sir!

Make up your mind, either pony up some evidence that you are in fact a catalytic converter smelter, which you chose because it fits what you say you do, or keep up the defense and attacking other members and find yourself forumless.

 

[Palladium]

Kind of a pompous fellow ain't he! Got some other issues going on there to!

 

[GoIdman]

I'll bet he has 10kg of Pt and Pd for sale...(intended as a joke, please treat it accordingly)

 

[catalyticconvertersmelter]

I'm not from South Africa nor Nigeria, perhaps 4 metals as he stated he has been working there.. He must have alot of experience in that field.

I'll bet he has 10kg of Pt and Pd for sale...(intended as a joke, please treat it accordingly)

 

[catalyticconvertersmelter]

Kind of a pompous fellow ain't he! Got some other issues going on there to!

Being bullied around is not a game. Being in a 3rd world country having one of the worst experience in your life, one tends to defend themselves.