jimdoc
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When you click on it it goes to Butcher's answer. I guess he solved it?
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Electrochemistry Gold from DC v with Liquid fire
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ryobie1 said:
Most scrap is purchased by weight and by weight light gauge chain has higher % of gold than heavy gauge chain so if you are buying by weight you will get more gold for your dollars.
jimdoc said:
How weird!
I believe that, for most things in this business, no question is ever 100% answered. I don't think I like those green checkmarks. They give a false impression that the definitive answer has been give to the question and no more discussion is needed.
jimdoc
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goldsilverpro said:
I have to agree.
Jim
I did not do it. :shock:
I agree the answer's (even if maybe a correct one), could still be wrong or there may be a better solution lets delete the check mark, (I still have not found the green check mark we are talking about, but I am kind of slow).
Edit thought: now if members could use that check mark to bring moderators attention so a subject needing attention, then I say that would be useful (moderator removing check when problem solved).
I agree the answer's (even if maybe a correct one), could still be wrong or there may be a better solution lets delete the check mark, (I still have not found the green check mark we are talking about, but I am kind of slow).
Edit thought: now if members could use that check mark to bring moderators attention so a subject needing attention, then I say that would be useful (moderator removing check when problem solved).
I can tell your still new to this.
you have to learn to hide it from her.
you have to learn to hide it from her.
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I'll second that notion. There's no shortage of "clever" people that answer questions when they are the ones that should be seeking answers instead.goldsilverpro said:
This forum is pretty good about challenging less than good information. It may irritate those that feel they are being attacked, but we keep the forum credible by debunking less than desirable information. It's a necessary evil if we expect the forum to remain credible.
Harold
It is amazing how fast that black sluge adds up. After 3.5kg of materials My cell is pregnant. I am going to use 3:1 AP to desolve the base metals from the sluge. I have decanted the acid and rinced the pm. One mistake I want to point out: I did not cover the acid in the cell between uses The air diluted the acid to the point of consuming the copper anode. I will be content with a 90% gold button for my first one. I konw AR is the best method but I am not comfortable with AR untill I learn more. The acid I decanted was green. Could this mean the copper is suspended and not in the sludge?
Agree, there is no exact answer when using household chemicals.On the other hand. If we all used lab grade solutions we would have exact answers.
I tested the green soluton I decanted for gold and there was none. Why green? Who konws. I was expecting blue. I'll see what plates out of it with silver cathode. Or evaporate it and see whas left.
I am experimenting to find the right mix of AP with the brand I bought. I want to make it hot enough to absorb the base metals but not so hot it eats my gold. I'm going to slow and steady method. (no hurry) The 4:1 looks the most promicing for me. I konw in a cuple days for sure.
I tested the green soluton I decanted for gold and there was none. Why green? Who konws. I was expecting blue. I'll see what plates out of it with silver cathode. Or evaporate it and see whas left.
I am experimenting to find the right mix of AP with the brand I bought. I want to make it hot enough to absorb the base metals but not so hot it eats my gold. I'm going to slow and steady method. (no hurry) The 4:1 looks the most promicing for me. I konw in a cuple days for sure.
jimdoc
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ryobie1 said:
I would think the differences in what is being refined would cause some differences even with lab grade solutions. Different things work for different people. Do what works for you, with what you can find to do it.
Jim
Spot on and Well put. You are right I wasn't thinking about the material. I have been messing around with my AP recipe for 3 days now trying to get the mix and temp just right. So far I have tested and desolved: lead, copper, silver, tin and got it too hot and desolved gold. I am having trouble with the sluge from the bottom of my cell, rincing the sulfuric acid and settling the fines. The majority of the fines settle quickly and then some super fines take over night to settle. I'm wondering if I should seporate the two. The super fines that take a while to settle might not be PM but a by-product of the process. If it's acid it's goign to cause a problem. Any thoughts on this would help me.
I figured the best way to find out for 100% was to split them and melt because the stan. chloride will not test + unless gold is desolved in solution. After desolving base metals I seporated them and did a melt. Turns out there was no gold in the stuff that took a long time to sellte because it insinerated to nothing and wasn't base metals because it did not desolve. I'm thinking it is an impurity in the acid or a by-product of the electro chem. Thers no going back now, I'm hooked! Now that I have this gold button in my hand, all the research and patience was well worth it. Now I need another one. This is a great place to learn and I hope some one reading this will learn from it. Next for me is fingers.
If you try and melt a little gold with chloride salts, you will most likely just be making gold fumes in the air.
I am cinfident it was rinced well enough to have removed any trace chlorine or chlorides. Unless it was bonded into the molacule some how. This is handy information to have tho. I did not know That gold could be evaporated at low temprature like that. Do you know of a way to test for chlorides or to remove them if present? Last thing I want to do is evaporate gold.
Dissolve a metal in acid and you make a salt of that metal and acid.
Gold dissolved in the acid becomes a salt of gold, this salt (gold Chloride salt), unless you made it back into a metal or some other salt, you did not wash out chloride (sometimes we say the previous acid), even if you changed it back to metal chemically you would still have some chlorides in the powders, wash till your blue in the face and you would still have chlorides.
You cannot wash the chloride from a metal chloride salt, you could change the metal salt to an oxide of that metal, using sodium hydroxide, and then making table salt from the chlorides that is soluble in water, and then rinse off the sodium chloride salts (but even then your metal could still have some chlorides bound to them, here we can use incineration would drive off the previous acid chlorides as gas in this case.
Silver nitrate is a good test for chlorides.
Gold dissolved in the acid becomes a salt of gold, this salt (gold Chloride salt), unless you made it back into a metal or some other salt, you did not wash out chloride (sometimes we say the previous acid), even if you changed it back to metal chemically you would still have some chlorides in the powders, wash till your blue in the face and you would still have chlorides.
You cannot wash the chloride from a metal chloride salt, you could change the metal salt to an oxide of that metal, using sodium hydroxide, and then making table salt from the chlorides that is soluble in water, and then rinse off the sodium chloride salts (but even then your metal could still have some chlorides bound to them, here we can use incineration would drive off the previous acid chlorides as gas in this case.
Silver nitrate is a good test for chlorides.
This is why I read and never stop learning. All this time I thought The electrolysis was removing the gold by migrating it to the negatively charged ions from the cathode. I did not realize It was desolving it. The next few runs I will save the materials that take a long time to settle and do a little more research with it before I insinerate it. This kills me to think I could be waisting gold. This is a great hoby! Several of my friends are interested in this hoby and expect me to give them a "how to" on one single page of type. I laughed and gave them the link to this website. What do you tell a friend that wants a "how to"? Not to mention I am still learning and can never learn it all.
What do you tell a friend that wants a "how to"? Not to mention I am still learning and can never learn it all.
Buy your friend Hokes book, Have them join the forum, tell him he cannot learn to be a brain surgeon by reading a three page post on the intranet, (and if that is how they learned brain surgery, that you would not want them doing your surgery),precious metals recovery and refining is similar, there is a lot to it, and it takes dedication and hard work and much study to learn, and then you also must practice the trade.
Buy your friend Hokes book, Have them join the forum, tell him he cannot learn to be a brain surgeon by reading a three page post on the intranet, (and if that is how they learned brain surgery, that you would not want them doing your surgery),precious metals recovery and refining is similar, there is a lot to it, and it takes dedication and hard work and much study to learn, and then you also must practice the trade.
