Montecristo
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I was wondering if any of you might have some ideas why this is happening and what we might be doing wrong?
All of a sudden we are having problems with our pin samples. I don't think we've changed anything from the hundreds of times we've done this before. I'll describe our process hoping it will provide some clues.
We use a large Electromelt furnace, generally melting between 2500 and 2800 grams of gold scrap at a time.
We let the furnace heat up to about 1000 degrees Celsius and then start putting in the scrap. We set the maximum temperature to about 1010 degrees Celsius. We keep adding until it is all in and melted, stirring occasionally with a carbon rod. We then add about a tablespoon of borax. Stir again and clean off any slag from the top of the crucible.
At this point we have tried two methods of taking a pin sample with a vacuume tube.
1. For a year or so the process was we would stir the gold in the crucible and insert the vacuum tube and draw out our sample all pretty much simultaneously. This started to yield bad samples a few weeks ago.
2. When the previous method started yielding bad results we changed the above. We stirred the gold and then let the gold "cook" for about 5 minutes before inserting the tube. This is also yielding a bad sample.
After withdrawing the pin sample we then roll it down to about .6 mm and then assay with an x-ray fluorescence machine.
When I say we are getting bad samples I mean specifically the pin sample is reading lower than the actual bar. This is happening about 50 % of the time, the other 50% the samples are fine.
The problem is not with the x-ray machine I regularly check the readings against know fire assayed standards that I made.
Does anyone have any ideas what is going on? I would be happy to describe any other details of our process if you need more information before giving any suggestions.
About 6 weeks ago we started adding a very small amount of soda ash to the borax at the recommendation of the guy at the store where we buy our borax and vacuume tubes. Could this be the problem?
All of a sudden we are having problems with our pin samples. I don't think we've changed anything from the hundreds of times we've done this before. I'll describe our process hoping it will provide some clues.
We use a large Electromelt furnace, generally melting between 2500 and 2800 grams of gold scrap at a time.
We let the furnace heat up to about 1000 degrees Celsius and then start putting in the scrap. We set the maximum temperature to about 1010 degrees Celsius. We keep adding until it is all in and melted, stirring occasionally with a carbon rod. We then add about a tablespoon of borax. Stir again and clean off any slag from the top of the crucible.
At this point we have tried two methods of taking a pin sample with a vacuume tube.
1. For a year or so the process was we would stir the gold in the crucible and insert the vacuum tube and draw out our sample all pretty much simultaneously. This started to yield bad samples a few weeks ago.
2. When the previous method started yielding bad results we changed the above. We stirred the gold and then let the gold "cook" for about 5 minutes before inserting the tube. This is also yielding a bad sample.
After withdrawing the pin sample we then roll it down to about .6 mm and then assay with an x-ray fluorescence machine.
When I say we are getting bad samples I mean specifically the pin sample is reading lower than the actual bar. This is happening about 50 % of the time, the other 50% the samples are fine.
The problem is not with the x-ray machine I regularly check the readings against know fire assayed standards that I made.
Does anyone have any ideas what is going on? I would be happy to describe any other details of our process if you need more information before giving any suggestions.
About 6 weeks ago we started adding a very small amount of soda ash to the borax at the recommendation of the guy at the store where we buy our borax and vacuume tubes. Could this be the problem?