Silver Cell for Dummies.

[amesametrita]

I'm not going to copy it to the Part 14 here.

 

[Lou]

Silver oxide method is eerily similar to one Metalor uses...

 

[amesametrita]

Silver oxide method is eerily similar to one Metalor uses...

Because there are no secrets in electrochemistry.

 

[FrugalRefiner]

Amesametrita,

Thank you for taking so much time to share this information with us. I understood part of your first post as being somewhat of a breakdown cell. I have done the math as well and have similar plans to stretch my nitric acid. But I got totally lost when you started talking about adding KNO₃, NaNO₃, or Cu(NO₃)₂. I just didn't see how that could help. Now that you've explained the mechanisms at work I can better understand your first post.

Thank you for sharing this.

Dave

 

[amesametrita]

All that madness repeated 2 times produces 999999ppm silver.
It's 1 gram of impurities per 1000 kg of silver.

 

[amesametrita]

Anything left unclear?

 

[Palladium]

The man has put a lot of effort into this thread.

 

[Lou]

Mhm, he did a good review of things but some things remain not addressed; no suggested solution for Pd or the chalcogenides, Te, Se (that's why an oxidizing melt is important!).

Unfortunately, while there are no secrets in electrochemistry, there are secrets in process chemistry.

 

[butcher]

amesametrita,
I must admit your work in this thread has put a whole new light on the way I was seeing things, I did not understand your first post or the goal, completely, (my judgment also had tainted my view) I also was not considering working with dirty solutions electrolyte solutions or impure anodes as an effective recovery method, (besides what I have learned here on the forum), but from what I have read lately and your well written thread, I feel a bit more opened minded on the idea, and other possibility’s.

I have tried some trials similar to what your discussing in experiments, and had decided in my mind that the best thing this was good for was to break down the metal to powder, as I had not separated metals effectively in the experimental trial cells, and in the end I had to use other methods anyway, to separate and recover and refine the metals, so in the end of those failed experiments, I did not save any work, or acid reagents in the long run, with what I had tried, (my lack of education, and failed attempts painted one picture in my mind, on that subject).

The way I am seeing this at this point is that it could be viable, but also it still looks like a juggling act to keep everything balanced, at this point it looks like I would need to learn juggling to do any good at it. :lol:

I also must admit I see you, and your intentions in a whole new light, I was suspicious, from your first post where you stated you wished to challenge conventional thought of the forum and its way of thinking, I guess I have let the actions of others who came here before you, who were doing that, taint my view (those who did not know what they were talking about but gave the impression that they new everything and were an authority on the subject, and seemed to be using their knowledge for less than honorable intentions, constantly challenging conventional methods or science), and when I did not quite understand where you were leading or completely understand it , I became suspicious of your intentions, and read what you wrote with suspicion instead of with an open mind as I should have had..

You have given me a new respect for what you, and what you have to say, and I will look at it much differently now.

I do apologize, as I see now I have judged you and your first posts wrongly, You seem to know what you are talking about, and your discussion of the science involved does make sense, and you do bring up some very interesting and good points to the table to think over, I do feel like I could learn a lot from your discussions, and I also feel you have challenged my thoughts and conventional thinking and you are making me want to look more at it, and read it more in a different light.

Thank you again for doing the work you have done here, I could follow most of it, some of it still a bit unclear, I will have to do more study to understand it completely, I have printed this thread out and will review more to try and get a better understanding, I do not know I will run out a build a dirty silver cell anytime soon, (but then again who knows, :lol: maybe after I get a little more education on the subject, I may try it again.

Thanks again for your work here, and opening my mind, I also hope you accept my apology, and you feel welcome here on the forum, I will also look forward to reading more of your interesting posts.

 

[g_axelsson]

This thread was heavily edited by amesametrita, removing most of the very good information he shared here. Luckily FrugalRefiner had made a copy of the thread and so the good part of this thread can now be found in the library at

http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=22409

Thank you Frugal, that was a very interesting thread. I never saw it before it was edited so this was all new for me. Great work!

Göran

 

[FrugalRefiner]

Thank you my friend!

Amesametrita made some other good posts that unfortunately, I don't have copies of. GSP discovered he had edited many of his posts. I was fortunate that I had followed this thread as he shared it, and copied it into my own notes. I missed one post, but there's a lot of interesting information for those interested in silver.

Dave

 

[Research135]

I'm not going to copy it to the Part 14 here.

Where is part 14 ?. Not in the library section!. Thanks.

 

[Eamonn]

Is anyone else have trouble understanding what on earth is being explained in this thread.
Is there another therad, refered to, that would make things clearer.

 

[FrugalRefiner]

Is anyone else have trouble understanding what on earth is being explained in this thread.
Is there another therad, refered to, that would make things clearer.

Eamonn, unfortunately, amesametrita deleted most of his posts in this thread a few weeks after he made them. Since I found the material interesting, I had copied the posts before he deleted them. I restored all but one post in the Library thread with the same name, Silver Cell for Dummies.. It may make a lot more sense. Sadly, I did not make a copy of his "Part 14", which was posted in another thread.

Dave

 

[popslab]

Why silver cell is unique compared to conventional electrorefining cells like copper or gold ones?
Every other cell operator aim for dense and well adhered cathode deposit.

I am great full for the explanation i am understanding the process much better. Question what happens if you use highly contaminated silver? Instead of nearly pure silver.

 

[Yggdrasil]

I am great full for the explanation i am understanding the process much better. Question what happens if you use highly contaminated silver? Instead of nearly pure silver.

Do not double post. I deleted your other post.
What happens, is that the electrolyte gets contaminated much faster and needs changing unless the deposit will get contaminated.