Electrochemistry Simple VS Complex Gold Salts

[Dr. Poe]

Sir, I refer you to your own thread.

http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=12705

If you think quoting the SRPs somehow makes you one iota of right about chlorine practically being a reducing agent for gold (III) in aqueous environments, you need re-educated.

By your logic you could never leave a solution of gold (III) in HCl, because Au(III) would be oxidizing chloride to chlorine. By your logic, it's impossible to dissolve gold with chlorine and 1M hydrochloric acid at 25*C. By your logic, it's impossible to make anhydrous gold (III) chloride. Chloride isn't an oxidant anyway.

Chlorine doesn't ever practically reduce gold by cementation. The only time chlorine is being oxidized by gold in my experience chlorinating A LOT of gold is electron transfer due to thermal disproportionation at higher temperatures. Not that the standard reduction table means a damn thing with temperature swings, since it's merely a cute table compiled for convenient access of thermodynamics information.

I'm done using SO2 though, I'll just use LCl2 now since I have my pick.


In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

Did you not read that I stated that after the gold deposits upon the anode that it redissolves and eventually ends up totally upon the cathode? This was just an example of the physics involved. Gold chloride reduced by chlorine gas is redissolved by the chlorine immediately after it's deposition upon the cathode. The point was to look at the nature of gold in thionate solutions. If you use an anode bag, you will catch the flakes as they fall off. At voltages below 0.85 they won't even fall off at all. Neither on a steel anode unless the amperage is too high. If you must comment about my statements, have the courtesy to pay attention to the total posts. Furthermore, a solution of gold chloride/HCl treated with NaOCl in the sun light, will precipitate golden triangles that will last only a few seconds before redissolving. The 'glitter' produced is unforgettable. It cannot be repeated with the same solution. As a chemist, you should know the interaction of chlorine with hydrogen in ultraviolet light. Now, please leave me to my need to help newbies. You are a chemist, If you want to know more, do the experiments yourself. Dr. Poe

 

[4metals]

Dr. Poe wrote,

Now, please leave me to my need to help newbies.

Dr Poe,
The work I currently do in refining is to design and implement the building or enhancing of refineries and the training of the workers to actually do the work. As you can imagine my exposure to newbies is extensive. I have enjoyed great success by explaining in detail the process to my clients but I always strive to break it down to a level they can relate to. This goes a long way to help them to understand the process and be safe in their daily operations.

I have been reading most of what you have been posting and in my opinion your descriptions of processes go way beyond the actual processes and into the realm of theoretical. I cannot see how you feel that this approach can help a newbie. for example in the discussion above you said

Did you not read that I stated that after the gold deposits upon the anode that it redissolves and eventually ends up totally upon the cathode?

Why would you even go there with an admitted newbie? Members here, for the most part, are looking for the practical results of their labor. Telling them it is going to the anode only to, in the end, report to the cathode does more to confuse than to educate.

I have no problems with postings which are more theoretical than practical, but our members deserve the warning that this discussion will have little benefit to newbies who don't even know an anode from a cathode.


I think our member Gold Chloride said it best when he said;

In my country there is a saying that goes something like this: "There are some people that have a lot of university and too little of whorehouse, others have a little university and a lot of whorehouse, and yet others that have a lot of university and a lot of whorehouse".

IMO in today's world having whorehouse experience is more important than a lot of university

 

[joem]

Why not start a new main page topic for those advanced in chemical science ( Noxx?) so that the higher levels of education and experienced people can discuss in terms till their hearts content.
Poe: to be honest, with no disrespect to your great knowlege, I am a newbie in chemical science and I still can not understand most of what you write.

 

[jimdoc]

Poe: to be honest, with no disrespect to your great knowlege, I am a newbie in chemical science and I still can not understand most of what you write.

I agree, I don't understand many of his writings. The only things that seem to pop-out are the insults and digs at others. If he could write so everyone could understand him, and eliminate the insults, he would be doing the forum a service. Its the digs at other members intelligence that seems to create the most problems.

Jim

 

[HAuCl4]

I told you before 4metals: I'm an acid, not a salt!. Respect please!. :lol:

 

[4metals]

I stand corrected! H Gold Chloride, has a nice ring to it.

 

[HAuCl4]

I stand corrected! H Gold Chloride, has a nice ring to it.

Blame it on the whorehousing, not the university!. :lol:

I only wish I could change my nickname to Dr. Lecithin PhD, MD...

 

[Dr. Poe]

All of you are correct of course. What I wrote is of no profit to new refiners. I vow that If I feel the need to debate with actual chemists (like Lou) I'll send them a private mail. Maybe, they might just consider sending me private mail instead of opening a debate with me openly. How about it, guys. will you express your concerns privately? Dr. Poe

 

[qst42know]

Nothing wrong with private debate as long as you don't leave the rest of us hanging.

After you have had your debate can you come back with an agreed to conclusion?

 

[Lou]

I'll absolutely keep it to private messages on theory.

Just keep the practical stuff in line with the reality of what a newb needs to know and avoid the far reaching extremes of the purely abstract and we're good. That's my chief bone with you Poe is that everything you say is so damn contextual. That's fine with me, provided you tell me the context of your statement ahead of time and not de facto!

 

[samuel-a]

Dr. Poe, I must agree with Lou here. context.

Its like, you are saying something... but not saying anything.
If no one can uderstand you. what's the point of saying anything... ?


Do know, i'm not out to pick on you, on the contrary. I really think you can help others and believe that these are your intentions.
Just... take it down a nugde and remember that we can't tell what's on your mind if you don't tell us.


(Personally, i would not comment again on this subject as i feel it's already been ground to fine dust)

 

[HAuCl4]

Perhaps Dr. Poe would clarify a couple of small doubts I have:

1-What is the material used and fabrication process for the best type of membrane to use to diffuse (effuse?) gaseous AuCl3 in order to approach, yet never reach 24 nines in purity of gold?.

2-Can the contraption refinery described in point 1 be built in a kitchen or backyard, and at what cost?.

You may ingest as many lecithin pills as you deem necessary before you answer, precisely, the above 2 questions. :lol:

tip: You may need to change the chlorine to another halogen, before you even start. :roll:

 

[Dr. Poe]

Perhaps Dr. Poe would clarify a couple of small doubts I have:

1-What is the material used and fabrication process for the best type of membrane to use to diffuse (effuse?) gaseous AuCl3 in order to approach, yet never reach 24 nines in purity of gold?.

2-Can the contraption refinery described in point 1 be built in a kitchen or backyard, and at what cost?.

You may ingest as many lecithin pills as you deem necessary before you answer, precisely, the above 2 questions. :lol:

tip: You may need to change the chlorine to another halogen, before you even start. :roll:

Of course you are talking about the volitization of pure AuCl3 in a stream of pre-heated chlorine @ 180C.
No membrane require genius. Dr. Poe

 

[publius]

What happened to the Private Messages? I think that from now on I'll only come to this thread to remove the red check mark... :evil:

 

[HAuCl4]

Perhaps Dr. Poe would clarify a couple of small doubts I have:

1-What is the material used and fabrication process for the best type of membrane to use to diffuse (effuse?) gaseous AuCl3 in order to approach, yet never reach 24 nines in purity of gold?.

2-Can the contraption refinery described in point 1 be built in a kitchen or backyard, and at what cost?.

You may ingest as many lecithin pills as you deem necessary before you answer, precisely, the above 2 questions. :lol:

tip: You may need to change the chlorine to another halogen, before you even start. :roll:

Of course you are talking about the volitization of pure AuCl3 in a stream of pre-heated chlorine @ 180C.
No membrane require genius. Dr. Poe

No. Your grade is F-.

For $12.50 Million, I can give you the answers.:lol:

 

[AlZabrisky]

Could someone close this degenerating thread?. It is now clear that there is malicious intent to denigrate.

Dr AlZabrisky.

 

[HAuCl4]

Could someone close this degenerating thread?. It is now clear that there is malicious intent to denigrate.

Dr AlZabrisky.

This is the funniest thread in the forum and you wish to close it?. :shock: :lol: :?:

 

[rusty]

Could someone close this degenerating thread?. It is now clear that there is malicious intent to denigrate.

Dr AlZabrisky.

This is the funniest thread in the forum and you wish to close it?. :shock: :lol: :?:

Either lock it or have you removed.

 

[Dr. Poe]

Perhaps Dr. Poe would clarify a couple of small doubts I have:

1-What is the material used and fabrication process for the best type of membrane to use to diffuse (effuse?) gaseous AuCl3 in order to approach, yet never reach 24 nines in purity of gold?.

2-Can the contraption refinery described in point 1 be built in a kitchen or backyard, and at what cost?.

You may ingest as many lecithin pills as you deem necessary before you answer, precisely, the above 2 questions. :lol:

tip: You may need to change the chlorine to another halogen, before you even start. :roll:

Of course you are talking about the volitization of pure AuCl3 in a stream of pre-heated chlorine @ 180C.
No membrane require genius. Dr. Poe

No. Your grade is F-.

For $12.50 Million, I can give you the answers.:lol:

No my answer was correct. Your insistence is trying to goad me into revealing nuclear fluoride technology. That's never going to happen, not even for that which has become unclassified. As far as I am concerned, it will stay classified forever. Dr. Poe, the real Doctor of Geochemical Research :x

 

[HAuCl4]

I insist that you are extremely funny Dr Poe. Even funnier than rusty. :lol: