So, you think your rocks are valuable? READ THIS BEFORE YOU POST ABOUT ORE!

[Martijn]

Honestly I'm not sure of how they did it but I know they had alot of knowledge about alot of things,
they being the KGC, which I tell you that I've found one of their lost hidden treasures I'm not at all joking, I've found a good one too marked by Bickley himself and otter items by the jesse james and the younger gang alongside Billy the kid, what should I do? I found on property belonging to my family but I'm still worried about reporting it just because I've read some stories online where the go government trys to take it most the time, I was planning to have enough refined to buy my own equipment to refine the rest myself!!! Any.advice?

For refining it, you can learn it all here.
but...
I expect that the government will want back any items, gold, silver or Pd jesse james and billy the kid "mined"
Having precious metals of questionable origin, is not something I should share on a public forum, certainly not if you don't want to report it? Or am I being paranoid?

 

[Yggdrasil]

For refining it, you can learn it all here.
but...
I expect that the government will want back any items, gold, silver or Pd jesse james and billy the kid "mined"
Having precious metals of questionable origin, is not something I should share on a public forum, certainly not if you don't want to report it? Or am I being paranoid?

Naahh, move on nothing to see here....

I really do not know the likelyhood of the correct people seeing these things and then having the energy to do something about it.

But we will still recommend that such issues are dealt with through proper channels.

Most likely nothing though.

 

[bryjongeo]

What is the thing about "xrf use on rhodium or irridium. Why not? Explain please. I'm confused about to whether it is dangerous irresponsible or ignorant. If someone was in the market for an xrf gun to test for those metals. Why would you shun them from doing so

 

[Yggdrasil]

What is the thing about "xrf use on rhodium or irridium. Why not? Explain please. I'm confused about to whether it is dangerous irresponsible or ignorant. If someone was in the market for an xrf gun to test for those metals. Why would you shun them from doing so

You can start by reading this thread from the beginning.
And you've got it wrong it is nothing about Rhodium or Iridium.
It is all about Arsenic and modes.
Most XRFs are loaded with a precious metal library (price).
They will interpret Arsenic abd other elements it do not understand to the closest on the list which is usually Rhodium and Iridium coincidentally both of the rarest and most expensive elements.
Start by reading this thread from the beginning.

 

[Toomuch Hunt]

This is alien to me, all I can think of is the Kangaroo Garden Club, which is likely wrong.

So you acquired some stone or ore and had someone crush it and compress it into those pillows? Did they add any binder to keep it from drying out and crumbling?

Can you acquire a sample of the powder before it was compressed?

We can tell you how to sample the material and how to figure out what, if anything, it is worth but we cannot quell any fears you have about the characters from the wild west. We also will leave any reporting you feel you need to do up to you.

I am not worried nor do I fear anything east north west or south, knowledge is power and I will not feed into your trap, I know not because of my own opinion but because I was the grandson of a very important person who is or was an high ranking me of don't you wish you knew? I will.refine myself here very soon and I'll tell whom it may concern about this whole conspiracy and where to locate A/R!!!. Don't think you want me to explain and prove how ths all came to make gold worth what it is, I have figured out where how and why and it was a great idea it's just im a Lil onto your master plan

 

[Yggdrasil]

I am not worried nor do I fear anything east north west or south, knowledge is power and I will not feed into your trap, I know not because of my own opinion but because I was the grandson of a very important person who is or was an high ranking me of don't you wish you knew? I will.refine myself here very soon and I'll tell whom it may concern about this whole conspiracy and where to locate A/R!!!. Don't think you want me to explain and prove how ths all came to make gold worth what it is, I have figured out where how and why and it was a great idea it's just im a Lil onto your master plan

This went from weird to complete nonsense very fast, did it not?

 

[Toomuch Hunt]

This went from weird to complete nonsense very fast, did it not?

I'm telling that I've got George Bickleys stash of gold,what makes that weird,because it ain't you, I'm not the one for games I'm really just fixing to remove myself from this website it's no longer needed

 

[Yggdrasil]

I'm telling that I've got George Bickleys stash of gold,what makes that weird,because it ain't you, I'm not the one for games I'm really just fixing to remove myself from this website it's no longer needed

I have no Idea who that guy is and frankly don't care.

 

[4metals]

I am not worried nor do I fear anything east north west or south, knowledge is power and I will not feed into your trap, I know not because of my own opinion but because I was the grandson of a very important person who is or was an high ranking me of don't you wish you knew? I will.refine myself here very soon and I'll tell whom it may concern about this whole conspiracy and where to locate A/R!!!. Don't think you want me to explain and prove how ths all came to make gold worth what it is, I have figured out where how and why and it was a great idea it's just im a Lil onto your master plan

I'm telling that I've got George Bickleys stash of gold,what makes that weird,because it ain't you, I'm not the one for games I'm really just fixing to remove myself from this website it's no longer needed

You really are too much Hunt! This is a refining forum and you dropped in on a forum specifically for Prospecting, mining, Ore & Geochemical and spoke of some material that you crushed and once you were sure it was gold you compressed it into slabs to ship it off to be refined. Then it morphed into Jesse James gold and Billy the kid and the younger gang. And then the Knights of the Golden Circle and some guy named Bickley. Now you are a direct descendant of someone famous and high ranking and you think we want what you have. Sounds like you got waterlogged in Tampa in the last hurricane and you don't know what you are talking about.

The best news since you started was when you said

I'm really just fixing to remove myself from this website it's no longer needed

That will save me a few keystrokes banning you.

Have fun playing with your ghosts from the wild west.

 

[goldshark]

Are we talking about the same thing here. The photo shows what looks like a very uncomfortable pillow not stolen property.

When bulk concentrates from a floatation mill (Ag/Pb) are loaded into a dump truck, then driven say 50 miles or so to a railroad siding for transport to a smelter, They come out of the dump bed in an almost solid slab of what looks like a concrete slab. No addition of cement , just natural packing of the concentrate. You can only load a dump truck about a foot deep, as the high specific gravity would seriously overload the GVW of the vehicle, if loaded even half way full. In theory, if what Toomuch Hunt has is a concentrate from such a mill, it could compact itself into such a "pillow " as pictured. Who knows how the mill ran, so it could have included Au, if it contained it in the raw ores. Just curious what state it was found in, as the James gang operated in several states.

 

[4metals]

Just curious what state it was found in, as the James gang operated in several states.

If you read all of his posts on this thread it appears it came from a state of mind not a state of the union.

Interesting that normal compaction can vibrate it into a slab, up to that point it was believable, enter Jesse James, billy the Kid and the Knights of the Golden Circle and that's where it went off the rails.

 

[kurtak]

If you read all of his posts on this thread it appears it came from a state of mind not a state of the union.

Interesting that normal compaction can vibrate it into a slab, up to that point it was believable, enter Jesse James, billy the Kid and the Knights of the Golden Circle and that's where it went off the rails.

---

Kurt

 

[kurtak]

and otter items by the jesse james and the younger gang alongside Billy the kid

The James/Younger gang - & Billy the Kid had NOTHING to do with each other

The James/Younger gang operated as bank & train robbers in the Midwest (from Missouri/Kansas to as far north as Minnesota) & operated from (about) 1866 - 1876

Billy the Kid was more of a political war known as the Lincoln County war in New Mexico (so out west) & he was NOT a bank/train robber

The Lincoln County war didn't get started until 1878 (so about 2 years after James/Younger) & went to 1881 when he was killed by Pat Garrett (supposedly)

So the two events DID NOT happen "along side" each other & in fact had nothing to do with each other

Kurt

 

[Martijn]

I'm telling that I've got George Bickleys stash of gold,what makes that weird,because it ain't you, I'm not the one for games I'm really just fixing to remove myself from this website it's no longer needed

Someone struck a nerve somewhere. When people react angry to a very simple question, it's often that they don't want you figuring out the the truth or mentioning it out loud. Or they prefer to remain in a state of denial.

I'm telling that I've got George Bickleys stash of gold

you could have a strong opinion on that guy when reading about him...

A suggestion: donate the entire stash to a slavery museum.

 

[WilliamJameschen]

First off, Congratulations! Everyone here hopes you have found something awesome! Hopefully something very valuable! Hopefully something not XRF'ing as rhodium, or worse, iridium on a handheld analyzer...
There is a tremendous amount of knowledge of a variety of kinds and fashions here on the goldrefiningforum, but that said, you're not quite in the right place...yet! We at the GRF are firm believers that every bit of gold, silver, platinum, palladium, iridium, rhodium and ruthenium and osmium was once in or on the ground until some intrepid explorer discovered it. We focus mostly on secondary materials, but many members have considerable experience and expertise in ore dressing, ore processing, assaying, and the recovery of materials from ore prior to subsequent refining.

While we welcome newcomers of all kinds, when we say you're not in the right place if you just came here to talk about rocks, it means that we actually are not a place to talk about rocks being worth lots of money or having "crazy mineralization" or assayed with a handheld XRF instrument. Believe us when we say that the administrators, moderators, kind fellow forum members and whomever all want nothing more than to help you with turning your rocks into swimming pools full of cash. We just require that you, yes YOU, dear reader/rockhound/exploration geologist/future billionaire do a few reasonably simple things first. Let's call it due diligence. After all, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. We even settle for just plain ol' scientific evidence here at the GRF.

BEFORE you post about having XYZ rocks found in XYZ complex ores from wherever patented/secret/extraterrestrial location worth over 1 X 10^nth USD/metric ton, the forum community at large wants YOU to follow this simple questionnaire/worksheet designed to help you with your rocks and help us with managing time and server space:

1.) Do you have rocks that you believe/think/hypothesize/insist are valuable, perhaps so valuable that your discovery is likely to upend the whole market for, say iridium or rhodium?
-->If yes, congratulations! We are thrilled and can't wait to have rhodium-plated iridium forks and spoons but we ask that you immediately proceed to question #2 which will determine how thrilled we shall remain!
If no, please enjoy your stay here and proceed right away to posting about refining and recovery!

2.) Do/did you 1. have an advanced degree in geology from an accredited institution of higher education, 2. acquire the materials from districts or locations known for precious metals, 3.) want to find out where and how to process these because your business is rocks, not separation science/chemical refining?
-->If yes to all three above questions, wow! we love having experts here! Please post your degree/qualifications, your location, roughly where the rocks came from (depth/alluvial/hardrock core) and all data (powder diffraction, mineralogy, gravity concentration results, fire assays, historical geological surveys, jar rolling tests, instrumental neutron activation analyses, blow pipe pictures, specific gravity readings). Now we can all talk about the content in g/ton and where to go with the material and approaches based on science!
If no, kindly stop right there and don't post yet--let's proceed to question #3!!

3.) Have you consulted a qualified (as in actual) geologist who is an expert in the geology of the precious metal-producing district where you found your rocks?
-->If yes, good you're on the right path! Get his/her/their permission to post their correspondence here for us to see as proof and please proceed to question 4 before posting here! Remember, an expert is someone who other people call an expert and typically has academic and industry experience as proven by their publications, patents, demeanor, and occupation (i.e. "Department of Geology chair" or "exploration geologist, 20 years experience Barrick Gold"
If no, kindly go to another forum focused on ores, rocks, post high resolution photos of your find, figure out what it is, then contact the local university geology department and ask them to confirm what the internet told you. After you can confidently say Yes to question 3 and prove it, please see question #4!

Here are some forums/sites that may be able to help you with your rocks: The lists are not comprehensive, but they should get you off to a good start. You can search for additional Geological Surveys, Mining Associations, Clubs, Shows, etc. in your area.

Rock and Ore Identification

Quick Qualitative Testing of Rocks and Ore
United States Geological Survey
Mindat.Org
National Mining Association

National Mining Association List of Mining Schools and Universities​

Identifying Minerals
How to Identify Gold Ore Rocks: Tests, Characteristics, & Types
How to Effectively Identify the Gold Ore?
Rockhound Resource how-to-test-your-rock-for-gold-7-simple-methods

State Geological Surveys

Arizona Geological Survey
Idaho Geological Survey
Montana Bureau of Mines and Geology
Washington State Department of Natural Resources

Mining Associations

American Exploration and Mining Association
Arizona Mining Association
Colorado Mining Association
Idaho Mining Association
Montana Mining Association
Nevada Mining Association
Utah Mining Association
Women In Mining USA
Society for Mining, Metallurgy & Exploration

Prospecting Clubs and Organizations

Gold Prospectors of the Rockies
Alabama Gold Camp
Gold Prospectors of Colorado
Colorado Prospector
Finding Gold in Colorado
Colorado Gold Camp

Gem, Mineral, and Fossil Shows

Rock & Mineral Shows by State
Colorado Mineral and Fossil Shows
Tucson Gem and Mineral Show


4.) Having consulted an expert (in addition to the aforementioned websites), have you had temptations to, or have you already put your rocks into a mixture of acids and possibly generate(d) toxic wastes/gases/untold rich mother liquors?
-->if yes, stop right there! We highly suggest you reach out to a reputable assay house and let them do that for you. It's their day to day. If you can't afford an assay it is probably best to walk away now or else save up for a proper assay!
Here are some labs that do great work that you might consider:

Alfred H Knight International
ALS Global International
International
SGS International

American Analytical Services, Inc. Osburn, ID
American Assay Laboratories NV
Axium Scientific Sparks, NV
Clark Testing PA, IL, WV, MI
Hazen Research, Inc. Golden, CO
Reno, NV
Ledoux & Company Teaneck, NJ
McClelland Laboratories, Inc. Sparks, NV
Phoslab Testing Laboratories Lakeland, FL
Reed Laboratories Carlsbad, CA
Skyline Assayers & Laboratories Tucson, AZ

Actlabs Ontario, Canada

Many of these labs also have convenient locations nearby all of the major precious metal mining/ore districts so be sure to check their website thoroughly.

If no, congrats! you passed the trick question but kindly still stop there and go get a minimum of a fire assay for gold, silver; or an Instrumental Neutron Activation analysis. Don't put random rocks into acids. Feel free to post and ask us for a lab that one of the members has good personal experience with, and if another member agrees with the other member, perhaps consider sending it there! After having done so, come back here and post up the results! Everyone here is in fact really and truly awaiting your return with actual data!

Some questions to ask yourself, possibly before the questionnaire above:
"why would Imy rocks special?"
"do I have the knowledge and maturity to comprehend when
"Do I know the difference between opinions and facts?"
"Is my assay from an assay house that has ISO 17025 accreditation and uses traceable standards that go back to a major standards governing body (i.e. NIST/ASTM/ISO)?"
"are my assays consistent or is there evidence of the nugget affect?"
"do my assays show all of the PGMs in varying amounts?"
"is my ore heavy?"
"if the earth is mostly mineralized by meteorite bombardment, is it appropriate to relate my rocks to "meteoritic origins"?"
"is an XRF instrument really a substitute for tried and true methods like fire assay?"
"should my rocks be soft, smelly, and contain organic matter?

If your assay has proven you have an economically viable source of precious metals, here are some additional resources to help you capitalize on your find.

Consultants and Contract Geologists

Alaska Earth Sciences
Vertev Mining
Geopros, Inc.
Hard Rock Consulting, LLC
Reno, NV
Nasco Industrial Services and Supply
The Redpath Group
Small Mine Development
Thyssen Mining


Mining, Milling, Smelting and Geology Supplies

Atlas Mine & Mill Supply, Inc.
CGS Mule Complete Geological Supplies
F&H Mine Supply, Inc.
Legend, Inc.
Mount Baker Mining and Metals, LLC
Northwest Mine Supply


Other

911 Metallurgist
The Diggings

This article is really well - written. It's surprising that I didn't discover it earlier.

 

[Yggdrasil]

This article is really well - written. It's surprising that I didn't discover it earlier.

Welcome to us.
Maybe because you are new in here.
Hope you find something of interest in here.

 

[galenrog]

I believe the most important question Lou asks is “Do I know the difference between opinions and facts?”

Once I began to understand this, well into adulthood, life began to get better.

I wish you well.

 

[jobinyt]

Ah - this popped up again... another splosion baby.

 

[Yggdrasil]

Ah - this popped up again... another splosion baby.

Do you mind elaborating to a confused European?

 

[Shark]

Do you mind elaborating to a confused European?

And a confused member as well.