What coating is used on Circuit boards?

[joem]

We've had a flood of readers of late that have an entitlement attitude and won't do the least bit to help themselves. Something has to change or the forum won't be worth attending.

Harold

Make it a pay site. Even a minimal 10 cents would be too much trouble for these "entitled" types and with all the members here it would certainly cover the cost to operate. Even in my not so long ago days when I started on this forum I donated because the value here is worth it.

 

[AuMINIMayhem]

Wow... WTF?

I say it's time to lock the doors. :roll:

I'm seeing a lot of this all over the boards lately. I usually pop in and out every few months, because I have a lot of other things going on, but I've never seen the forums be as bombarded with rude, brash, narcissistic individuals as I have this past venture.

I wish there was a function where I could only see posts by people I have in my own personal list.. :twisted:

The board would pretty much be chopped down to posts by Noxx, Harold, Lazersteve, GSP, Palladium, Irons and a few others.. :mrgreen:

If it comes to a vote, sign me up for a pay site. I think it's a good idea. 8) You wouldn't believe how quickly that would eliminiate a lot of the riff-raff.

Derek

 

[glondor]

I would pay to play as well fwiw. We live in a society of instant gratification. I WANT IT NOW!!!! Many cannot understand why they cannot have it NOW. They feel it is a right. They have never been to the school of hard knocks or chose to be absent. I fear that if much more bad behavior continues many here who know their a$$ from a hole in the ground will just not bother. Us newbies will have to school ourselves. I do not want to go to school with out a teacher. Give Harold_V a raise.

 

[Ocean]

Pay site.

$5/year is not too much for me.

 

[jimdoc]

I think a pay site will make these guys feel more entitled to have questions answered the way they want.They should just get banned with no excuses.
Post a big red warning telling people about the rules,and if they break them,they are gone.If that is too harsh,maybe a three strike rule (for less serious offenses).
If members are acting in a manner that would get them kicked out of a classroom,they should expect to get kicked out of here.
Jim

 

[Harold_V]

I think a pay site will make these guys feel more entitled to have questions answered the way they want.

That's an excellent point. Considering all of us volunteer, we can maintain any posture we prefer, but if we sell our services, we are then at their mercy.

They should just get banned with no excuses. Post a big red warning telling people about the rules,and if they break them,they are gone.If that is too harsh,maybe a three strike rule.

I had reconsidered my approach to banning some time ago when I suspended one reader. He was adamant that he be re-instated immediately, which was denied. Even though his two weeks expired, he has not returned to the board under his old identity.

Our purpose in banning isn't to prevent readers from accessing the site. My objective is to make them understand that they can't come to this forum and be disruptive. If spelling it out doesn't work, banning is a very useful tool in conveying the message. As in this case, it also discloses the willingness of an individual to be cooperative. If testosterone is their answer to problems, they are not welcome here. It is clear to me that when the monkeys run the zoo, those that have value to the forum will have long since departed.

I would like to thank all of you for your support in this issue. While it may appear that I am on a power trip, my sole purpose is in trying to keep this forum in such a condition that it is useful. In order to do that, we must keep a tight reign------otherwise we will quickly be overwhelmed by those that enjoy raising hell, with no regard to the rights of others that prefer a more gentile atmosphere.

Harold

 

[jimdoc]

Can't anybody just log on as a guest?
They can read all they want,but just can't post anything.
If people abuse the forum and get banished to only being able to log on as a guest,then they will be forced to read and do their homework by themselves.
And then they just won't be able to disrupt the forum as many have lately.

Jim

 

[Barren Realms 007]

I think a pay site will make these guys feel more entitled to have questions answered the way they want.

That's an excellent point. Considering all of us volunteer, we can maintain any posture we prefer, but if we sell our services, we are then at their mercy.

They should just get banned with no excuses. Post a big red warning telling people about the rules,and if they break them,they are gone.If that is too harsh,maybe a three strike rule.

I had reconsidered my approach to banning some time ago when I suspended one reader. He was adamant that he be re-instated immediately, which was denied. Even though his two weeks expired, he has not returned to the board under his old identity.

Our purpose in banning isn't to prevent readers from accessing the site. My objective is to make them understand that they can't come to this forum and be disruptive. If spelling it out doesn't work, banning is a very useful tool in conveying the message. As in this case, it also discloses the willingness of an individual to be cooperative. If testosterone is their answer to problems, they are not welcome here. It is clear to me that when the monkeys run the zoo, those that have value to the forum will have long since left.

I would like to thank all of you for your support in this issue. While it may appear that I am on a power trip, my sole purpose is in trying to keep this forum in such a condition that it is useful. In order to do that, we must keep a tight reign------otherwise we will quickly be overwhelmed by those that enjoy raising hell, with no regard to the rights of others that prefer a more gentile atmosphere.

Harold

Harold,

Even as close as you have some a couple of times giving me the boot I understand your position 100% and support you like wise.

 

[Palladium]

Can't anybody just log on as a guest?
They can read all they want,but just can't post anything.
If people abuse the forum and get banished to only being able to log on as a guest,then they will be forced to read and do their homework by themselves.
And then they just won't be able to disrupt the forum as many have lately.

Jim

I agree with that 110%. Make it where as a guest you can read and download all you want for free, but if you want to ask questions you must pay for the privilege. $4.99 / Year. This would help cover Noxx's forum expenses. If they will pay $20.00 for a ebay or Megan book, then $4.99 should seem like a steal. Any thoughts or input?

 

[jimdoc]

Where have you ever seen a $20 Megan book?
They are more like $100.

Jim

 

[Claudie]

I have been doing some thinking about this thread, and maybe I should have answered the original question with more detail, maybe I shouldn't have answered it at all. Then again, it may not have mattered who answered his question, no matter what the answer would have been, he still wouldn't have thought it was sufficient. You can't please everyone and this guy obviously has an attitude problem. I feel I owe the other members here an apology, especially Harold, for having to deal with this thread.

There does seem to be an abundance of the "you owe me" or entitlement attitude finding it's way into the forum. I think the price of gold has an effect on the number of people looking to make a quick buck with scrap. Greed has a tendency to seek out those who are looking for an easy way to cash in on something rather than working for it, that may be why those are the types of people that have been drifting in here lately. Greedy people will look for the cheapest way to get what they want. Maybe by making it a pay site, like has been suggested, it would keep more of them out. Maybe being a pay site would create more problems, taxes, income, and such. I really don't know how that would work.

If each potential member had to fill out a membership application to be approved by a moderator before being accepted to the forum, it may help weed out some of the "Give me an answer now" type of people. Then again, that would mean more work for the moderators. There are many great minds on this forum, I am confident a solution to this problem will surface eventually, unfortunately, I don't have one....

 

[wrecker45]

claudie i am a new member and i have been reading this post . i for one do not think you owe anyone and apology. you where just trying to help and he caused his own problems.

 

[Harold_V]

I feel I owe the other members here an apology, especially Harold, for having to deal with this thread.

Nonsense!
Frankly, I'm very proud of the answer you provided. It was exactly what he needed to see-----although obviously not what he wanted to see.

I do not take pleasure in dealing with individuals such as this----but deal with them I will. Otherwise, why have a moderator?

I have enough experience on the internet to know and understand all too well that there's a bully technique applied by people such as this. They beat up on others and hope for the pack mentality to enforce what they hope to accomplish. Did you take note that he whined because no one was critical of you for your reply (which was perfectly appropriate)? We don't want testosterone fed morons like that on this forum. I'd like to think that we're above such pettiness, and if, in the process of maintaining control of the atmosphere here, I have to resort to filing complaints with IP's or even law agencies, that's exactly what I'm prepared to do. When I fail to serve you guys, I should be replaced by someone that will.

The most important aspect of the refining game is gaining an understanding. By doing so, when strange issues rear their heads, you have some idea of what is going on, and how to address the issue. By being spoon fed, crossing each and every hurdle one encounters without gaining an understanding, the learning curve is simply prolonged, and may never come to fruition. People that demand instant knowledge are particularly prone to such an outcome. It's all about them, and now. To hell with learning anything. Bad mouth the guy that refuses to cooperate and all is well. The only problem is, it doesn't work that way on this forum.

We simply can NOT continue to answer each and every inquiry that is a repeat of a repeat of a repeat. Readers, at least here, are expected to do their homework. We insure they do by not spoon feeding the guy that refuses to do so. They will either crack the books and start learning, or they'll be gone. I don't care which avenue they pursue---so long as it's one or the other.

We have a great gathering of people here---some a bit annoying at times (myself included), but good folks. We need to insure we maintain at least that level of quality. We do that by not allowing rude people to remain as readers.

Harold

 

[lazersteve]

I had a strange thought:

Maybe some of this new traffic that is looking for instant information was sold a CD on EBay with a link to the forum, if that's the case some crook has already charged them for access to the site, No?

Just a thought.

Steve

 

[jimdoc]

I had a strange thought:

Maybe some of this new traffic that is looking for instant information was sold a CD on EBay with a link to the forum, if that's the case some crook has already charged them for access to the site, No?

Just a thought.

Steve

That wouldn't surprise me at all.

Jim

 

[Harold_V]

Wouldn't surprise me if that was the case, although I won't discount the possibility that the recent rise in price of gold and silver has been instrumental in the new wave of "I'm going to get rich quick with gold" attitude. What ever the cause, I certainly can't recall seeing so many with so many demands, jumping in blindly, then seeking information that should have been known long before finding themselves in a mess.

What makes me particularly angry is Hoke's book spells it all out in language even a fool can understand (worked for me!), and, unlike days gone by, it's readily available for anyone that cares to download and read. Surely, if they care enough to get involved, they'd have enough interest to learn something about the process!

I've had it with people like that. I will no longer even talk to anyone that doesn't speak of reading Hoke, understanding and knowing testing, and the use of stannous chloride. I consider these things critical to success. If they don't think so, they can suffer through their stupidity alone.

Harold

 

[Oz]

Jim has an excellent point as to the downside of requiring a fee no matter how small. As a moderator one of the key things I stand on if a new member is dissatisfied, is that we all do this for free. The moment you charge for something they become a customer. A customer has the right to complain if the services rendered do not meet their satisfaction.

Steve may be right that access to the forum is being sold. I think that even if that is the case I do not think that it accounts for the volume of what we are seeing. I find it more likely that the increased ranking in Google search and the greater desire for people to search with metal prices rising and employment hard to find in this economy being the main culprit. Unemployed financially strapped individuals will be testier than others with different circumstances.

In some ways the forum may be a victim of its own success. We will indeed find a solution however. What we have here is too valuable to lose.

 

[Platdigger]

If it were a pay site, you would only be paying for access to the site.
Not for any help or answers to a question or questions asked.
Everything would stay the same, you would just have to pay your dues to be here, nothing more.
Only difference is Noxx could get that gold plated Beemer, or was it a MB? 8)

 

[nickvc]

If I may add my personal view to what seems to be a constant problem at present.
I think that the only way to handle these trouble makers is to continue exactly as we do now. Most members provide helpful advice and if that isn't enough and the questioner takes a bad attitude let the moderators step in with either a warning, suspension or an instant ban and for the membership to fully stand behind the moderators and show unity. It seems that the lack of support from the rest of the forum quickly gives them the message even if we have to have a few tantrums and foot stamping for a short while the normal tone of the forum soon returns.
I for one have personally apologised to two moderators when I felt it was something that I needed to do and to show them that I feel privileged to be allowed onto the forum and that I support their way of running it. We can all makes an error of judgement and post things that perhaps we shouldn't but the proof of been a good team player, member, is to admit it and to allow the forum to return to it's normal tone with as little interruption as possible.
This place is unique and anyone who takes the time and trouble to study here and to follow the guidelines of behaviour is welcome whether they post or just lurk and I for one would hate to see anything changed that would change the feeling of comradeship and close off the incredible depth of knowledge that really is open to all and as we always point out for free.

 

[Platdigger]

Also I think it should be at least 10 bucks.
I even think most would caugh up 100.

Oh, and mods and Irons would be exempt...of course