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Claudie said:
You need to read more. This subject has been covered here before. There is even a video showing the process if you will only look for it....
lazersteves signature line is a great place to start. Follow the links you find there, you'll be glad you did....

Hi Claudie, I am a new member just joined a couple of days ago and wanted to THANK YOU and all the members of this board! I am disabled and have to do things to keep my brain working that are mechanical so I take a lot of things apart. Now I have a way to be able to put that work to more use then the pennies the scrap yard pays. I found this forum from a post by "metalicmario" on youtube. I was looking into this process and kept running into people who wanted to sell their "how to guide" since I don't have enough money to pay I kept researching and found this "OUTSTANDING" forum. Right now we don't have enough money for me to eat 3 meals a day ( I skip 1-2 a day) so that our daughter always eats and my wife is next then me. This can give me a chance to change that.

I am very THANKFUL for everyone here sharing the information and not just keeping it private and just as a "newbe" wanted to counter the negative input you previous received from someone else.

Best regards....Rick
 
This is a great place to learn and the price is right. I have been all over the internet, twice, and I don't think you will find a more knowledgeable group of people in one place, that are willing to help the way the people here do. The best part is, you never stop learning here, you can come back everyday and there is something new to learn. There are some very educational videos on Steve's site. He does an excellent job of explaining what he is doing throughout the video, so you can understand each step along the way.

Claudie

P.S. If I let negative comments have an affect on me, I wouldn't still be married.... :shock:
 
For what small amount of time I have been here it is quite apparent to me that the general attitude on the forum is that "We help ppl that help themselves". Which I find great because I believe you learn best this way.

There is a plethora of information on this site and it is made easily accessible. However different from other sites (in a positive way) ppl here make you learn. And unfortunatly many of my generation have grown up being given things and have continued with the idea that everyone owes them something... Claudie I applaude you in your original answer.

I have a ton of questions... some may have already been answered on this forum which is why I will continue reading.

P.S. The comment about your spouse made me chuckle.. as i too am in the same boat! :lol:
 
tranqmorne said:
For what small amount of time I have been here it is quite apparent to me that the general attitude on the forum is that "We help ppl that help themselves". Which I find great because I believe you learn best this way.
I can't speak for others, but in the beginning I readily hand carried anyone through processes with which I was familiar, in spite of having done so numerous times previously. However, as the forum grew, more and more sought advice with the notion that they need do nothing---ask and you shall receive. It took more and more of my time, to the point where I had to make a decision. Abandon the forum entirely, or make them do for themselves, which has always been, and will continue to be, the right thing to do. It sorts those that are serious from those that have an entitlement attitude, and, as you suggested, is a much better learning experience.

At the risk of repeating something I've said countless times, I learned to refine strictly from reading Hoke's book. With the knowledge I gained from her book, I founded what turned out to be a very successful refining business (not planned). The point is, if I can do it, anyone can do it. I lack education (graduated high school), but never in my life have I assumed that anyone owed me anything. I have worked for everything I have, and am proud to say I am a self made person.

Thanks for your wisdom. We can only hope that those that feel they are owed will take a fresh look at themselves and life, and start earning their way.

Welcome to the forum.

Harold
 
Not being very computer savvy I am unaware of how easy / difficult it would be to introduce a delay or cooling off period between signing up to the forum and being able to post questions.

If you wanted an answer and you wanted it NOW, would you be prepared to register on this forum and then wait two weeks, or whatever period was set, before you could ask your question? I think the answer to that is no, because they want their answer NOW.

This would give anyone genuinely interested in the subject matter of the forum time to read the existing posts, read Hokes book etc etc and hopefully find the answers themselves, reducing the repeated questions which the mods and members are fed up of reading and replying to. Also this would encourage the "entitlement" element of society to move on to the next search result from google.
 
martyn111 said:
If you wanted an answer and you wanted it NOW, would you be prepared to register on this forum and then wait two weeks, or whatever period was set, before you could ask your question? I think the answer to that is no, because they want their answer NOW.
Thanks for your insightful response, martyn111.

The moderators of this forum have discussed this problem to some end, with several concepts being considered. Sadly, nothing has come from the discussions.

It's clear, more and more, that something must be done. Redundant questions serve no real purpose, with the majority of inquires coming from individuals that appear to need someone to wipe their bottoms---as if they don't have the slightest notion of doing for themselves. Often inquiries are based on the harebrained notion that individuals can become independently wealthy by processing scrap computers.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. Were that not the case, they wouldn't have been shipped from our shores to third world countries for years, to be salvaged by workers receiving but cents per hour. The processing of e scrap is extremely labor intensive and not profitable on a small scale. There are exceptions, of course, but the average guy is highly unlikely to be able to turn a comfortable profit. It is, however, and excellent hobby and can be therapeutic. It is highly endorsed by me, but under those circumstances.

Harold
 
Claudie said:
I agree with what Palladium said in his post. "Just like any industry that experiences growth you have a higher volume of crap that comes with the expansion."
With volume, you're gonna have this type of thing. It is something that will always need to be dealt with. I don't believe it has gotten to the point of making this forum any less than what it was, the best place to find useful information about refining precious metals. The moderators do a great job of keeping the contaminates out, refining the forum to a high percentage of quality people, with years of experience, to teach the next generation of refiners the safe and proper methods of refining.

Claudie

Running a forum like this one is like casting bullets with range lead. When you melt the lead you have to expect to have some dross on the top.

I believe that the moderators do a very good job of eliminating most of the dross.

Thanks to all of you for a wonderful forum.

Thomas
 
eeTHr said:
OK, I going to give a disclaimer on this particular post! I am aware that I am still a relative newbie byself, and don't deserve to be anything but humble and attentive. I know that this is not my site, and the owner, moderators, and other old timers here who count, might have a different direction intended for it than what my suggestion may portray. But I might as well say what I'm thinking, anyway, because the worst that can happen is everyone can just say "nuts" to it!

What I'm seeing on the many new posters is that there are different types. Some just shouldn't even be reading this stuff, much less posting. While some others arrive here with an earnest intent, but don't realize the full scope of impact of the content on this site, and the extent of the participation efforts of it's members.

It appears that most of those posting in this thread think that some kind of segway into the subject would be part of the solution, accompanied by some specific rules to clue people in on the general atmosphere here (and enforce it if necessary). I agree with both of these ideas.

The question is, "How do you get new people, who may be (foolishly, but commonly) looking for a fast answer, to actually read and understand the basics of what the purpose of this site is, and how to not demolish themselves before they figure it out." (It would be a dark day for us all, to see the headline: "Child messes himself up on recommendation from crazy chemistry site," you know what I mean?)

Although there is no sure fire way to accomplish total perfection on this, I think something optimum can be done.

First, to get people to read the preliminary stuff that you want them to, it needs to be interesting, and that means to give them something they want, along with it.

It seems that most of the "I want some info fast" people actually want to do a recovery, not a refining, whether they know it or not.

They don't know the attitude of the site, and they usually have no idea of the real safety precautions required, either.

I think that a very basic, down and dirty, simplified recovery, which would probably not be very economical but would be more of a educational experience. This would be similar to the idea of what Hoke does in the beginning, with her testing. Except it would use some actual PM bearing materials that people usually ask about.

This would be interwoven with safety precautions, and a little bit of "scare the heck out of them" examples, so they don't take it lightly; between each step. By mixing some simple recovery steps with the related safety material, they would see that the safety requirements go hand-in-hand with accomplishing what they were interested in, in the first place, and it would relate it immediately and directly to each step they do. That would allow them to realize that safety and success go together, rather than safety being something that "the other guy" should do.

They would also be exposed to the manners and rules of the Forum, at the same time.

I guess a few different categories of simplified recovery, to start with, would include a couple kinds of escrap, and some basic karat gold stuff. lazersteve's processes, with peroxide and Chlorox would be pretty good starters, maybe. Or even HCl with a pinch of nitre, even if they dissolved base metals at the same time, and dropped the PMs with #00 copper grounding wire hooked over a jar lip, at least they would get enough results (the magic of chemistry mixed with the awe of gold), to get them to read the safety stuff mixed in, and automatically begin to get the idea of the atmosphere of this site, and get the idea of continuing in that vein to become proficient in actual refining, and taking some pride in what they are learning and doing.

The downside is that it might encourage someone to begin, who really shouldn't. But still it seems like it would be better to direct them to the "Getting Started" section, which has all the safety intermingled within it, than to just have them land here from a search engine, and jump right into something way more dangerous. And when they click to go to this "Getting Started" section, they first land on the "Forum Rules" page, with a few, brief, basic, things required for them to get the idea of manners, and so forth, and a link to the Complete Rules Page, with a statement that it should be read it before they start posting, or be at risk of...whatever.

The upside is that it could provide a buffer zone for the members and moderators, by preventing most of the stuff that has been going on lately, where somebody shows up who is totally off the planet!

If it is graduated slowly into more complex (and efficient) processes, a new person can choose for himself which level to start at, depending on his experience (and how confident he is that he won't clobber himself by beginning at a level which is too advanced for him). If reference is continually made to procedures on the beginning levels, in order to do a new process, an inexperienced person would have to go back and read them, if he tries to skip them, and thus be exposed to all the safety precautions and negative effects which are possible if they are not followed.

If somebody did do something really dumb, after all that, I don't think that anyone would think we didn't try to prevent it.

And with very simplified processes, in the beginning, how many questions could they ask? And many of those could be put into a FAQ, to reduce the bother to members and moderators, down considerably from what it is now.

It may sound complicated, but it could be done a little at a time. I mean, this site will probably be around for quite a long time, no? And getting more and more newbies all the time! It could get ugly!

And it would make it less likely that some parents will be saying that their "poor little Johnny" (who's actually 19!) did who-know-what to himself, as a result of reading something here.

This is a truly well thought out post and a great idea. As a new member I understand that I have to earn the trust and respect of the membership, and I believe that these ideas have a lot of merit.

Thank you all for this great forum.

Thomas
 

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