Why Can't I Ask a Simple Question and get a Simple Answer?

[Shark]

Works in 4 metals post but the quote from J.Najam is till non working.

Some very interesting stuff on the sight, I will have to read more of it.

 

[FrugalRefiner]

Yeah, I just fixed the original link in 4metals post.

Dave

 

[cejohnsonsr1]

To put a very fine point on the original question, the question may seem simple, but it’s not. It’s naive. The answer to the question is so complex that it’s not possible for you to understand it. Or, as a wise old man once responded to “a simple question” that I had asked, “…that you asked the question demonstrates your inability to understand the answer.”

 

[Dreamer]

Just to be clear, mixing an acetate with the strong acids used in refining can cause EXPLOSIONS (sorry for violating forum rules with the caps). I think enough of us on this forum just don't like the risk of having it in thier shops.

 

[Yggdrasil]

Just to be clear, mixing an acetate with the strong acids used in refining can cause EXPLOSIONS (sorry for violating forum rules with the caps). I think enough of us on this forum just don't like the risk of having it in thier shops.

Or in our valuables

 

[jphayesjr]

You know Catt.
Many times in refining, the only simple answer is that there are no simple answer.

As long as you are refining the same thing with the same procedure every time, one can put down a clear answer.... or maybe not.

Sometimes the temperate or purity of the chemical change. Maybe you had a short lapse of memory or have specially tempting steak for dinner, who knows.

Things change, and we all have to learn to deal with it.
Thus the general base chemistry is what we have to learn, then we need to adapt that to the conditions at hand, this round of refining.

Most of the time there are no surprises....

I really do not know how else to describe it.

Enjoy your reading. If you master Hokes book, you are well equipped to discover more

Regards Per-Ove

If reading Hoke and other scientific literature doesn't float your boat, there's always the guy in the long black cassock who will pray for your project and bless the results (whatever they are, he'll tell you it's a mysterious blessing).

 

[J.Najam]

Hello,

I don't know if its the right metaphorical phrase but in terms of 'knowledge' I'd hoped to join this forum in "search of a scrap box, but I have found a scrap yard."

Really thank each and everyone of you.

@FrugalRefiner thanks, yes the link works fine now.

 

[kenzo]

Hi!

Brand new here ...

With Chemistry up to 1st year University level, my simple question was going to be ... Do I *REALLY* need a fume hood?

As a skydiver with over 20 years of experience, I take risk evaluation very seriously. That is why this was one of the first posts I read here.

After reading the original post, I don't need to ask the question anymore.

I'll just save my gold scrap until I get a fume hood.

That way I will have stuff to tinker with in my old age (and an old age to tinker through).

Brilliant post!

Kenzo

 

[Martijn]

Hi!

Brand new here ...

With Chemistry up to 1st year University level, my simple question was going to be ... Do I *REALLY* need a fume hood?

As a skydiver with over 20 years of experience, I take risk evaluation very seriously. That is why this was one of the first posts I read here.

After reading the original post, I don't need to ask the question anymore.

I'll just save my gold scrap until I get a fume hood.

That way I will have stuff to tinker with in my old age (and an old age to tinker through).

Brilliant post!

Kenzo

I have to say I'm so glad to see a new member reading before asking!
Welcome!

 

[Heavy-Black-Sand]

Many new members are frustrated when they first join this forum. They may have experience on other internet forums where it is common for members to ask simple questions and get quick answers. They join this forum in hopes of getting similar responses to their questions about refining.

These are some questions that have been asked:

• "Here is my plea for help. I kept all the liquid, but how do I get the gold back?"
• "I just have some CPUs I want to refine. Why won't someone just give me the best process to use?"
• "How much 60% nitric per Oz of sterling silver.I cheched the site and saw no math on this.Just a simple answer would be great."
• "I am not here with great expectations, just looking for a simple answer to a simple solution."
• "How do I mix nitric acid with hydrocloric acid without killing myself or turning the house into a gas chamber?"
• "why cant some just answer the question."

If you're new to the forum, you may feel like some of the members I've quoted above. You just have a little gold or silver you'd like to refine. You don't need someone to write a whole book for you and you don't want to spend years reading through the forum. You just need a quick outline of the best process to use for your material, like they show on YouTube.

The reason no one here wants to give these quick answers is simple. Every process used in recovering and refining precious metals is dangerous. Following are a few accounts written by members of this forum. Following each quote is a link to the post they've come from. These are their real life experiences.


Mandatory reading material for new Help Needed Posters


WARNING!!


It's Time to go legit


Refining gold from connector pins


Thanks Harold




Metal Fume Fever


Separation and Purification Au,Pt,Pd,Ag,Rh,Os,Ir,Ru


BFRC precautions when using AR


Nitrogen Dioxide MSDS


HCl/Cl Leach of Honeycombs and Beads PHOTOS


Stannous chloride Colors?


I hope these accounts will help you to understand some of the hazards involved in what we discuss on this forum. I sympathize with those who just want a quick answer to a simple question. As you study, you'll find that those who have taken the time to educate themselves will, indeed, get quick answers to quick questions. But no one on this forum wants to be responsible for helping a new member hurt themselves or others around them. Please, take your time and follow the advice of those who've come before you. Here's a good place to get started: Tips for Navigating and Posting on the Forum.

Dave

Edited to add a link to a post made by kadriver: Gold Miner Dies Among Chemicals.

This should be required reading for noobs looking to get into the chemistry-side of gold recovery ... alot of the youtube guys are gunning for clicks/subscribers, becuase there can be a suprisingly lucrative income from a youtube channel if you can gain a couple hundred thousand subscribers or more ... so if your building a youtube channel, you don't really want to scare your viewers away by describing in detail how dangerous the activity really can be.

 

[Castledreams]

As a Respiratory Therapist, I am soooooo pleased about the safety emphasis on this site. A fun hobby should not be a deadly one!

 

[minero74]

As a Respiratory Therapist, I am soooooo pleased about the safety emphasis on this site. A fun hobby should not be a deadly one!

Exactly.
I totally agree with You

I will explain a little bit more about refining.

Refining is Not consider a Hobby
this is serious business with serious consecuente if we take it slight and Don’t respect it.

The First thing that New Members and all of those who want to get into Precious metals Refining
is that Precious Metals refining is Not Hobby.

Precious metals refining can be a profession and a way of life.

because of that ,it must be take it seriously.

why?.
Because we will dealing with lot of of acid and others Chems.
as such we must have safety measure in place
in case of any spills and or splash .

Safety is the most Important aspect in Refining.

why?
If Any one mix the wrong chems,He can died or get cripple for life.

a good friend of mine,with lof of Experience in refining almost died when He do a very little mistake when He was using Chlorine.

( I wont post the process He used ,We think that there was a leak of Chlorine gas and some how He breath it,and get rush to the hospital).

the Hospital bills was so crazy high.
and for what?

He don’t even recover nothing ,just 2 grams of gold.

New Members ,(I’m new in refining as well and still Learning)
Needs to Know that Ours life is more important than any amounts of money.

Get the right training,and learn it the right way.

then we can do it in a safe manner.

And never let your guard down and You will get hurt pretty bad.

when i go mining,I’m very serious into it.
some peoples call me cranky
but that’s the way I Am.
(some friends called me cranky,because they never meet the old miner who teach me lot of thing that i know about mining ).

If i go to work ,i put 100% into it.
i don’t playing around.

there will be plenty of time to have fun.

but when we get into refining we must put our 100% to do it the right way.

(Edited).

 

[Martijn]

Refining is Not consider a Hobby

I disagree. It's my hobby and I'm sure many more do this beside their day job for the fun and satisfaction we get from it.

 

[Dreamer]

Profession vs. Hobby..It's right there with Base Jumping. 1 out of 6 people who do it suffer significant injury every every year. Many people do it and a handful of You Tubers make a few bucks doing it. I see the similarities.

Over the last couple years we lost more than 1 member and we are a pretty safety regimented group. I'm sure the Moderators have better stats. but people with Gold Fever do irrational things for sure, so I'm never surprised (and rather impressed) when the moderators and members jump all over people when danger is in the air.

Yeah, it's fun and really satisfying, costs a lot and when you have success...bragging rights! A lot like Base Jumping. Definately not for everyone but once you do it, you'll want to do it again.

I guess thats why YouTube has millions more subscribers than publishers.

 

[Ag and Au]

I have a 29 year established electronics business - refining gold has become my hobby. When I am actually refining, there is No music, No adult beverages, No audience, No distractions - Period. I am constantly talking to myself and re-evaluating every next move to ensure complete safety.

I love this Forum.

 

[Shark]

I have a 29 year established electronics business - refining gold has become my hobby. When I am actually refining, there is No music, No adult beverages, No audience, No distractions - Period. I am constantly talking to myself and re-evaluating every next move to ensure complete safety.

I love this Forum.

While I have been disabled for several years and now retired, refining has been a way to keep me busy and active. I have always considered it a hobby, albeit a very serious hobby. Also, no side projects when refining, likewise, I am constantly questioning my methods and processes. The constant questioning and searching for new methods is what keeps me involved with it. Learning is one thing that is constant for me, I could do that even when I couldn’t physically do the work.

 

[4metals]

When I am actually refining, there is No music,

Sorry to break from the norm here but I like putting in my bluetooth Airbuds and listening to Sirius radio. Kinda partial to classic vinyl.

 

[Dreamer]

Sorry to break from the norm here but I like putting in my bluetooth Airbuds and listening to Sirius radio. Kinda partial to classic vinyl.

Lou, Any stats on injuries and fatalities?

 

[Yggdrasil]

Lou, Any stats on injuries and fatalities?

I guess you mean 4metals?

 

[Dreamer]

Any of you guys (Moderators).