Hi panther
I have totally halted my process at this point. Last night I found hoke's book on the forum with revisions. I can not remember who posted it with some important revisions to processes. But I would surly like to thank you. There was a lot of new information for me to digest in the revisions.
Most of my supplies I ordered are chemicals, and melting supplies . I decided to hold off on the beakers and what not. I live near Oxford Ohio which is where Miami University is located. I sell antiques for a living. So you would be amazed at all the stuff I find. I have been involved in antiques since I was a child. I have great picking locations for material. However large barrels and things are hurting my head. I am not sure where to pursue these items.
I really just want the ability to process small batches of scrap. I get a lot of scrap gold fill because I sell antique jewelry & watches. My ideal volume would be about 8OZT or 240 grams at a time. I think if I could process that amount once a week. Within a few months I would have all my scrap processed. Thus leaving me a nice bit of gold. Which if a big deal came up. I could use to raise cash to purchase. I also need to start saving for my future. I would like to buy some rental properties in the future. I have no desire to die doing home refining. I kind of pride myself on not being a dumb ---.
I am not reckless. I have been sitting for 3 years studying this from a different angle. my teacher taught me how to buy scrap material at auctions. he also taught me how to buy gold & silver jewelry at scrap rates. I learned I could resell the nicer pieces for a premium. As I progressed in the field. I started to learn the types of margins bigger fish work on. I could not fathom scrap shops making only 1 percent on volume. So I decided I would start studying. I have not figured my answer out entirely yet. However I can tell there making a heck of a lot more then 1 percent.
Now I am starting to see the backside of the equation. Which my teacher is totally oblivious too. He tends to totally discount how much money is still left in his material. I think he is missing out a large amount of profit. Since I am much smaller it seems reasonable to me. To try and capture those lost profits. This old bloodhound thinks he has caught the scent
So I would like to tree Mr. AU
After spending some time studying on here. A lot of the people have been very forceful about the dangers. I do appreciate them imploring how dangerous processing really is. They have done a great job. Plum made me nervous to push any further. Now I wonder if I am out of my league .
All this studying has just given me a 1000 more questions with possible answers.
When we made our batch. I had a strong early gas reaction. However after initial burn off solution only produced minimum gas. I looked into fume hoods. Good God they are pricey. I also thought about building a fume hood. That's going to cost just as much as a cheap manufactured model. I think you could trick out a made hood for increased performance. Yet either way your still sinking a lot of money.
I also looked at the scrubber options. Your going to spend less money. Yet your going to have lots of buckets killing grass. There also in my situation going to be visible to people .
I was going to ask about hoke's cake dish trick. Which I think will work for my small batches. Another person also mentioned a watch glass. I love that idea as I have a lot of clock crystals. Which are glass and I think would work. I do not mind to spend the money to be safe. If the operation is profitable to my bottom line. At this point it seems crazy to spend money on a scrubber or hood. I need to have a practical tangible results. My number one motive doing this was to measure some yields. I wanted to evaluate if it was more profitable for a little guy then selling to the refiners. my stock pile of 3 years was to be my test material. All of the material has been paid for and is now profit. I gathered this stuff buying stuff with the items that was resellable.
I now understand the 3 tanks for braking down the other metals from the solution. So that you get a clean PH7 water for disposal. I also understand why it is important to do those steps.
What I really need from the members . I guess is help to set a design model. Which is affordable and safe for me & my community. Where I can process some small batches to determine yields. Without the neighbors or there animals getting sick. No Lawyers trying to sue me. No Police trying to arrest me. No EPA trying to fine me for my next 20 years of earnings.
The revised Hoke's Book is the steps I would use for future batches. Not the steps I typed above based on the book from 1940. Since no one pointed that out to me
That should convince some of you that I am indeed reading and studying the methods. The science is not scary to me ! I am excited to learn new processes and understand the why's of each reaction. I think that these enlightenments will carry over to other things not involved with processing materials. The science of applied sciences. The logistics and construction do worry me a little. However I think with a little constructive help. I can overcome this obstacle.
Dave I referenced the watch glass above. I also referenced the tanks I need to make for filtering the waste metals. My main question is what to do with the stuff that drops out. Can I dispose of the metals in the general trash after rinsing ? I was going to do my Nitric work early morning or late evening. Trying to use times when people are less active outside. In the future I do plan to make the shot pellets for consumption. I think that will save me a lot of acid as well. You all have done your job well. You have me in here studying and learning lol. I have not done any real work in the last 2 days. Because of all this studying & learning
I realize I have a lot more to learn .
