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[galenrog]

Well, kids, I think I know what might be going on. Summoner, is the well near Long Beach, Ocean Park, or Tokeland?

Time for more coffee.

 

[SCW_Summoner]

Yes. I'm in one of those areas. Please let me know. Thank you

 

[SCW_Summoner]

And to answer jmdcar's question. The container I put most of this in was about 33 gallon tub. It took a month to get enough for the two bars then i just classified down to get enough for two more bars. Which took 2hrs. To sift and pan. But again my well pump did the work. It collected over a years worth in tank before I dumped it.

 

[galenrog]

Yes. I'm in one of those areas. Please let me know. Thank you

Well, which area. Try to be as specific as possible without giving out an address. Remember that nearly every well near Ocean Park hits salt water, as do many near Long Beach. I will run that by my contacts to verify my suspicions.

Time for more coffee.

 

[SCW_Summoner]

Long beach

 

[SCW_Summoner]

Also anyone know where a good place to get a test done on the metal? I'm not going to spend thousands for a xrf gun for a single test. Thank you

 

[nickvc]

Most large gold buyers and all refiners should have one so find one close to you.

 

[g_axelsson]

The easiest way to test the bars is to cut off a few grams in a corner and send for assay. It should cost you less than a hundred bucks and you will know in a week or two the exact composition of the bars. No chemicals needed.

Okay, to test your bars in a "redneck" way... first measure the density as good as you can. That could give you a hint of what it contains. Not much but at least it will add to the knowledge base about the bars.

Then, what chemicals do you have access to? Tin solder, nitric acid, sulfuric acid, hydrochloric acid, any nitrate salts? Hydrogen peroxide? Chlorine bleach? Are you comfortable to work with strong acids? Do you have proper ppe? If so, how do you plan to take care of toxic waste? Do you have a fume hood or a good protected (against kids and animals) place away from houses and equipment where you can work with acids?

We don't know you and for all we know you could be a 14 year old kid that are doing experiments in the basement. That's why we are both skeptic and cautious to advice new members in dangerous procedures.

One of the reasons we advise people to do their own research is to learn all the "what if":s when something doesn't go as planned. Doing research in a topic will pull up a lot of related questions and answers. It's just not possible to condense a craft that takes years to master into a short youtube video. Your first venture into this area will probably end in a mess. Mine did. Several times...

It also takes a lot of time to guide someone and none of us is paid to write on the forum. Many of us is paying forward, by spending time helping newbies as we were once helped, but our time is also limited.

Göran

 

[kurtak]

Something just smells fishy to me about this well water filter story.

One of the guys that I work with used to be a well driller in California - he has told me how he has a number of times found actual gold "nuggets" when drilling wells :shock: :mrgreen:

So I can certainly see where "fine" gold could be picked up by a well pump - if the well is in the right place

Kurt

 

[SCW_Summoner]

I have ppe out the wazoo. Heck I still have my military gear, gas mask and all. Working in a shed away from house. Created my own ventalation. My kids are not allowed near it, or my dogs. And no neighbors. I would love a basement. But again it would be under water, lol. And again I really did work with nukes, so I know all about safety. The chems I worked with as a field technician are much scarier than fuming nitric acid and concentrated sulfuric acid. I can get all the required chems to do everything. And I have access to lower grade chems like others. I'm retired so I have the time and money for this. I'm very skilled with alot of knowledge. I just learn crazy fast through visual aid. So it's why this thread started. I understand hesitation. So ask anything you want.

 

[galenrog]

Long Beach, Washington, is known for fine gold on the beaches. From time to time, someone runs across an ancient, onshore deposit. These deposits are a result of gold being transported by the Columbia River, and its geologic predecessors, to what are now the beaches of southwest Washington. These deposits are nearly always associated with heavy black sands.

I sent out inquiries to everyone I personally know who has experience, both past and present, mining beaches of the Long Beach Peninsula. I included pertinent portions of this thread. Once I hear back from a few, I will revisit the discussion regarding the source material for your bars.

Goran, in his post above, gives the best advice on how to proceed. A proper assay will give a complete picture of what is in your bars. XRF, while very useful, has limitations that have been discussed on this forum innumerable times. Knowing the composition of the bars will tell us what techniques to use to recover gold from your bars.

Time for more coffee.

 

[butcher]

You can buy simple gold (acid) testing kits,or make your own, a gold buyer will have these and could do the tests for you.

You can scratch the suspect bar on a stone and adding a drop of nitric acid to the scratch mark.
Most jewelers or gold buyers will use this or other tests with acids to dissolve base metals, any gold or less reactive metals involved in the scratch mark will remain.

The drop of nitric or (a drop of another acid combination of dilute to strong aqua regia testing solution) can be used along with a known karat of gold, by taking a known karat gold wire needle (or karat gold ring) making a scratch mark side by side on the slate stone, side by side with the scratch mark from the unknown suspect bar being tested, using acid (aqua regia testing solutions made of different strengths) to determine Karat or percentage of gold...

Sure some wells can have gold, and it is possible to have some gold in a filter, I just have a hard time seeing this much gold from a well or in a filter from a well.

I do not know what type or kind of well or what type of filter system is being discussed, so is it possible to be pumping gold with the water, yes is possible, being probable becomes more questionable and (most likely not likely), the density of gold would normally make it more difficult to pump gold than silt and sands...

with just a couple of pictures of what appears to me to be some gravel and sand, then seeing a large bar that looks to be brass or another yellow metal like gold, and from what I have seen from a couple of pictures so far it just seems fishy to me to be able to pull that much gold from a well, I would need a little more to go by before I can see it possible.

In some areas, beach sands and waves can concentrate gold. and that could make this a more likely scenario than pumping gold out of a well.
I would just like to know more, before becoming a believer.

 

[jmdlcar]

Since I'm retired now and if I lived close to Long Beach, Washington I would do a lot of panning for Gold if they would let me do it and I would have a Metal Detector. I guest there is a lot of other doing it to.

 

[SCW_Summoner]

I'll take individual flake pics. They were small. And again it doesn't pan like gold. There is blond sand and very very little black sand. When panning gold it takes work to seperate black sand. When panning this it takes work to get out rocks and blond sand. When I melted it there was alot of dross. Again jewelers acid test, 14k line disappears right away, 10k solution line slowly fades away over 30 sec. I did forget to say that the 10k on bar turned green after 1 min. But I was playing with a bit more last night and tried to do my best to seperate through melt points. Did a scratch test on that and I have brown in a spot, one that takes 1 min to turn green and 2min to turn green, and one that turned slight real. So nickle, and copper. And most likely low karat gold.

 

[goldenchild]

If you have testing acid you could always take a tiny piece of a bar and put it in a test tube. Then add some 24k acid and 10k acid to dissolve the piece. Then do a stannous test. At least you'll confirm you have gold.

 

[SCW_Summoner]

I will do test on pieces. ordered stannous test bottle. should be here in a few days. I know I could just make it but, I'm in no hurry. should be here on the 16th. Will let you all know then. till then thank you for the feed back all. In the mean time I will be reading Hoke book. :? ... P.S. when i say it was already panned once. its hard because of the impurity's. And my little ones did alot of panning at the start.

 

[jimdoc]

Where did you order stannous test bottle from? It has a shelf life, so you are best making your own. Do you have a known gold solution to test what you ordered, to make sure it's good?

 

[jmdlcar]

I order my test kit from here.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Gold-Silver-Testing-Acid-Tester-Kit-14k-silver-Testing-Scratch-Stone/352618264108?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

 

[GoldmoreGold]

Hi SCW,
Those bit's on your finger look like what you find in a gear box with some bronze parts that's failing. Could the well driller have hit an old bronze gear that's buried or maybe a cache of old bronze coins?!. What sort of pump do you have, some have bronze housings and or impellers maybe it's failing?. Anyway good luck and hope you find some gold in there!.

 

[SCW_Summoner]

I have some 18k to test, it's not fillings from my pump. We had the well drilled, I've only had to change out pressure switch. And one small galvanized nipple. Nothing to account for over 10 pounds of metal. I ordered stannous on the 4th this month, said shipped 6th. And aware of shelf life. And not happy with the slow shipping. But will test it to make sure it works first.