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Arsenrefineries,

I have refrained from replying to your posts as I have yet to figure you out. Half of what you say seems as though you are trying to promote something and have a hidden agenda. The other half of what you write makes limited sense to me as to the direction you wish readers to follow, or how you think the procedures you espouse “should” work as per your direction. I think the forum has been very indulgent to say the least in listening to what you have had to say so far.

Since you wished to promote your knowledge of ancient Roman history by mentioning Syrus, Publilius, it is worth noting that what he was best known for was his mime performances. Mimicking others actions but without the ability of speech.

Reading some of what you have written on the forum (not all) it is clear to anyone that has refined for a living that you are mimicking in your words what you have read, but have not actually done by your own hand, much like a mime.

That is not a wise thing for us to allow on this forum considering how dangerous and lethal precious metals chemistry can be. I would not want a new member to read what you have written and nothing else before attempting precious metals refining.

I would suggest 2 paths for you.

Only talk about procedures that you have done by your own hand, or take a page out of your own book and be as silent as a mime until you have read for some time what is written on this forum. Restrict your questions to what has already been written here if a post is not clear to you.

I truly understand that in your world or social group you may have been an authority as to refining. But now you are on a forum that has members that have refined for a lifetime as their primary source of income. I am actually surprised that you have not been banned as of yet if only for the reason that much of your procedures make little sense and may prove hazardous to the uninformed.

Before you reply to me think about what is important to “you”. Are you trying to promote yourself as a person of knowledge, or are you here to learn?

I will listen to any calm, rational, and professional reply you may have. If you are argumentative or continue as you have, I will ban you from the forum.

There is nothing wrong with being a mime. Much of what I know about precious metal refining came from mimicking others successes, and keeping my mouth shut.

Oz

PS; I take great umbrage to your derisive opinion regarding Lasersteve solely because you do not like his screen name (who are you to talk being 1 letter off from being arsonrefineries?). Had you spent some time reading this forum before you started pontificating with your dogmatic viewpoints, you would have realized that Steve has been very unselfish with what he has done for the general forum membership. It is your loss if you do not heed his advice and counsel.
 
Yeah i caught the " How can you trust anybody with the name laser in their name" remark to. Don’t judge a book by it’s ………
Good thing for me i mimic a duck then.

AFLAC !!!!!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
 
Lol. Excuse me again. Thought I had already addressed that adequately enough. I did not it appears. I just found it comical. I by no means meant it to be malicious. If You where going to meet somebody for a property investment and they introduced themselves as say Buffalo Bill, you wouldn't find that a little comical at least in that back of your mind? I didn't Judge him for that though. Did say I found his video and site to be right on.
Also I believe and said in another post it is very admirable for any of you guys to share your expertise freely with anyone. 1000 years ago Baghdad used to be the worlds hub for trade. Mankind saw its most significant advancements because of the free exchange of ideas'. I would not have gotten as far as I have without the free help. I thought too it would be nice to have a sort of tip cup attached to the videos and tutorial and perhaps paypal, to show your appreciation.
My very comfortable living now is being generated by things I've learn from tutorials such as Laser Steve's. The free link I found here to Hooke's book and so on.
For this I am greatly thankful. When I first joined myspace I little programming knowledge. Few folks like Howard and LaserSteve's that offered free tutorials and responded to questions, and recommend books for me..., were listed in my hero's list.
 
It sounds like (maybe - we'll see) you have gone through your "adjusting period" on the forum. If so, welcome to the forum! Search, study, learn, do, ask specific questions, and do it all again and again, in that order. Everyone has to go through it. There are no shortcuts. The Shor machine seems like one, but it really isn't.

I have always looked at the Shor machine as a "recovery" or a "separation" system, rather than a "refining" system. Although the chemicals used are fairly innocent, it will still take the same old acids and other chemicals to purify (refine) the metals involved. Without purifying to the known standards, you haven't finished the job.
 
i am curintly looking into both metheds and judging what works and doesint but all sed and done most recycling co. use a blast bethed before an acid bath to remove low temp contaminets
 
I'm sorry, but if you think you can make a wiser judgment on "which method works best" based on your limited experience, both with refining precious metals, & clearly, the English language, or at the very least, SpellChecker, you clearly are .... {pre-edited by me - unbelievable}.

READ OZ'S POST ABOVE, PLEASE, BEFORE LITTERING THIS THREAD FURTHER.

Maybe it should be locked, & we could ALL move on to something constructive ...?
 
That's cool Retzrj. Please ignore the 5 bloggers who have no relevant experience. It's like asking for an opinion on Ford and Chrysler owners are the one's that keep replying. Great approach and attitude too. The scientific method I believe that is, despite its unpopularity with Detectr, I think you are on the right track anyway.
Not much for you to play with though as far as the chemical method. I like Lye because its cheap. Cheaper than dirt if you compare it to some expensive top-soils. Prolongs my acids. It can be dangerous though. So can gasoline if not handled with care. I have herd of other incinerating or baking their parts first to prolong acids as well, I'm just not set-up to treat the exhaust here. Herd about 1150 F is ideal for incinerating before nitric bath.
I like to heat to a syrup consistency and dilute with HCl a couple times and again with water. Filter then precipitate . It's slower that Urea but I am eliminating other contaminates rather then adding more. Had some difficulties with Urea in the past and find this technique less troublesome.
Next is precipitation. There is sodium metabisulfite, Zinc, or copper powder. Haven't tried Zinc yet, others are working just fine...
The simplicity system is making gold chloride I'm assuming since its a salt medium. Herd more or less it works just not that well put together. I know Palladium is working on a truly industrial model.
Anyone find a similar technique by another manufacturer? Or perhaps find success with this method in a different setting?
 
ArsenRefineries said:
Please ignore the 5 bloggers who have no relevant experience. It's like asking for an opinion on Ford and Chrysler owners are the one's that keep replying. Great approach and attitude too.
Arsenrefineries,
You did not specify which 5 bloggers, however you have received comments in this thread from Harold, Lou, Myself, then GSP (trying to give you the benefit of doubt after my above post). Considering the fact we are all moderators here it is interesting to hear that no “relevant experience” has been present.

This leads me to 2 conclusions.

First, that you are way more qualified in this field than anyone else here, so how could we be of assistance to you?

Second, given your vast superior knowledge, we have become a burden upon your intellect and time.

Given these 2 facts I think it is in your best interest for me to remove you from the forum so you do not waste further effort in trying to help those of us that will likely never be capable of achieving what you are trying to teach us.

You are banned for 2 weeks. If I see you post again after that without your very first post being an apology, you will be banned permanently. I do not care if you were the Holy Grail of gold refining (NOT), no member will be allowed to be disrespectful to the management of this forum!

PS; I changed my mind. When I went to impose your 2 week suspension, I noticed that Harold had already given you a formal warning to shape up or be banned.

Goodbye
 
Well I can't say I'm shocked.
His warning from Harold should have alerted him to mind his manners.

One of the rules of the forum is to show respect for other members.......and especially the moderators!
If your going to call someone out make sure it's done politely and with sound reasoning and then you will be listened to and receive reasoned replies.
Snide digs and ignorant rantings have no place on here and thankfully the management seem to uphold that view with great diligence.
Thank you all!
 
ArsenRefineries said:
Next is precipitation. There is sodium metabisulfite, Zinc, or copper powder. Haven't tried Zinc yet, others are working just fine...
Being banned by Oz is the best thing that can happen in this instance. The very notion that ANYONE that claims expertise in refining, yet makes reference to using non-discriminating precipitants is certainly of no use to the forum.

We try to teach procedures that yield acceptable results. I fully expect that the least educated readers, here, understand that copper and/or zinc do not offer that advantage, but to have a self proclaimed "expert" make such assertions tends to send mixed signals----much like those that insist on using the term "boil" when they intend to convey the message of evaporation.

I hope readers learn something from this thread. Be polite, and learn to use proper terminology. You will be called on the carpet if either of these are ignored.

Harold
 
nickvc said:
If your going to call someone out make sure it's done politely and with sound reasoning and then you will be listened to and receive reasoned replies
Nick, that was very well worded.

I do not claim to be an authority in refining, however I may know 1 or 2 things about it, most of my knowledge is from reading here. I will always welcome any correction or disagreement to anything I have to say or have posted, as long as they are polite and professional. I will be the first to say that I do not have all the answers.

I try to reply to members with the same level of respect as they have shown to the forum membership at large in “their” posts. For that reason some of what I type may sound as though I am being too harsh in my words. Oddly enough, I am always pleased to find out when I am in the wrong in these things, and if such is the case I try to readily admit it. Such circumstances usually mean there was a misunderstanding or revelation on my part or the others, which results in us having a new productive member to the forum.
 
Bizness4you said:
It is like magic here "poof be gone" :p
Yes, it is! 8)

Our leader has exercised great wisdom in appointing a select group of us to keep watch over the forum. We do that with pleasure. We expect readers to use good sense, to not post dangerous procedures, to be mannerly, and to not create distractions. Profanity is discouraged.

Each of us has a life and death control over readers, which we use with reckless abandon when necessary. We do not "bargain" with ill-behaving readers. They are admonished to remain polite, and to state their position with respect. If they do not heel, but choose to escalate instead, they are gone.

We do not tolerate personal attacks, especially towards moderators. They are to be shown respect for their dedication of their time to the forum, all without hope of reaping a reward.

Harold
 
ArsenRefineries said:
I see the shor system. It uses a salt electrolyte instead of cyanide or acid. Anyone had any success or know of nay success with this product? Seems to be much less problematic then some of the other methods and no hazmat...

I am new here. See electrolytic system, called RefineIt, searched and did not find anything, but discovered this forum. Did you know anything about it? They claim it can refine everything from 6K to 14K.
 
gold57 said:
ArsenRefineries said:
I see the shor system. It uses a salt electrolyte instead of cyanide or acid. Anyone had any success or know of nay success with this product? Seems to be much less problematic then some of the other methods and no hazmat...

I am new here. See electrolytic system, called RefineIt, searched and did not find anything, but discovered this forum. Did you know anything about it? They claim it can refine everything from 6K to 14K.

You are better off forgetting about any "systems" to refine your gold. If you want to learn how to refine precious metals you found the right place. Just study the forum for a while and save your money until you have a plan.

Jim
 
gold57 said:
ArsenRefineries said:
I see the shor system. It uses a salt electrolyte instead of cyanide or acid. Anyone had any success or know of nay success with this product? Seems to be much less problematic then some of the other methods and no hazmat...

I am new here. See electrolytic system, called RefineIt, searched and did not find anything, but discovered this forum. Did you know anything about it? They claim it can refine everything from 6K to 14K.


Link ????
 
Oh for the love of god !!!! :roll: :roll:


http://store.goldrefiningsystems.com/category/59-electrolytic-refining.aspx
 
Wooooo Hooooo..... I made the first post on there forum. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

http://store.goldrefiningsystems.com/boards/f/2/new-products-for-gold-refining.aspx
 

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