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[markqf1]

Hey Matt,
Welcome in.
There are alot of people here that are "good people that have integrity" that are not " godfearing ".

I wonder why you would be afraid of your creator?

Anyways, welcome in.
I sincerily hope you find what your looking for.

Mark

 

[Harold_V]

I was born and resided in the greater SLC area. Moved from Utah in '96. I lived there for 56+ years.

What I learned from my association with residents of that state is that those that wave their bible, or book of mormon, under my nose, are likely to be those that are trouble. They, somehow, tend to see themselves as superior to those that do not agree with their religious preference. There's no room for that here.

I do not consider myself a religious person, and I do not attend church. I am an agnostic, and I lean atheistic. I am insulted by the notion that one must be religious to be worthy. I am a decent human being that willingly shares time and knowledge with those who can benefit, and I ask nothing in return. I don't BS people, nor do I choose to give anyone a bad time. I worked for everything I own, and have a record of never being unemployed a day in my life, once I started working as a graduate from high school. I never drew as much as a dime of unemployment benefits, nor have I ever turned to welfare. I hardly think that I must be "god fearing" in order to measure up.

As a moderator on this forum, I have a few things that I do not tolerate well. One of them is foul and/or vulgar language. Another is politics. The last one, one in which I am likely to intervene instantly, is the talk of religion. I will delete or alter posts that have religious overtones, and do so gladly. They have no place on this forum, for we are a gathering of people from all walks of life-and from many cultures. I would like to think that we treat each and every member with the respect we'd like to receive. Leaving one's personal religious preferences out of subject matters is a good way to get started.

Welcome to our secular forum, Matt. Please check you religious dogma at the door.

Harold

 

[JRH]

Name: James Ray Hunt Sr.
Sex: Male
Age: 58
Profession: Electrician/Electronics Technician (now unemployed)
Hobbies: Gold prospecting, treasure hunting, picking Bluegrass Music, fishing, preaching, and now refining.
Interests: Music, The Bible, History, People, and precious metals
Hello everyone! I found this sight while browsing the internet looking for info on how to refine PMs from electronic scraps. I am a complete neophyte to what I am trying to put into practise concerning refining, although I have read Ammen through several times over the years and have really been intrigued with the subject. I am looking forward to actually working with some of my old boards and black sands that I have collected through the years and hope to gain a lot of pleasure and a little profit out of doing so. Thanks to those of you that have put such a sight together that has already proven to be a tremendous help. Hopefully in the near future I will have learned enough to be able to post a bit of worthwhile input on the subject as well.

 

[metatp]

Harold,

I agree you are very helpful on this forum. You have help me, but I think you were a little over the top. Matt was just completing the information about himself. Nothing wrong with you warning about people promoting there religious beliefs, but "check you religious dogma at the door"?? He may not have religious dogma that you just labeled him with or you may be correct. Remember, agnosticism and atheism are religious beliefs also.

Just my two cents.

Thanks again for all your help and the help of others on this forum.

Tom

 

[Harold_V]

Harold,

I agree you are very helpful on this forum. You have help me, but I think you were a little over the top. Matt was just completing the information about himself. Nothing wrong with you warning about people promoting there religious beliefs, but "check you religious dogma at the door"?? He may not have religious dogma that you just labeled him with or you may be correct.

I have yet to meet a person that didn't have an angle in mentioning his/her religious preference. That is particularly true of Utah, and I expect much the same in the deep south. It is not a requirement that any of us be associated with any given religion----nor is it a requirement that we discuss religion in any way, shape or form on this forum. It is beyond the scope of the subject matter and serves to do nothing more than to divide readers into opinionated groups, generally well bigoted. It is for that reason that I do not tolerate discussion of religion, which should include readers not making mention of their particular choice of poison.

I imagine you'd see this in a totally different light if one of the Muslim faith made a point of promoting their particular beliefs, even if they represented themselves in a far more friendly manner that did those that were instrumental in the attacks on the US. By simply avoiding the discussion, we can avoid hard feelings.

Sorry, I reject your notion that I am over the top. I insist that this forum remain neutral where religion is concerned, and we can do that by not making mention of being God fearing. The very idea that this individual has placed limitations on those with which he hopes to communicate raises a red flag for me, a red flag I learned to recognize by my many years of living amongst people that were exceptionally bigoted. Perhaps this would make sense to you if you found you were made to feel like a stranger in your own home town.

Remember, agnosticism and atheism are religious beliefs also.

Perhaps in your mind. What the later is is a total lacking of religion. As far as agnosticism, as the name implies, show me. It has yet to be done in the past 2,000 years. I expect it won't be done in the next 2,000 years, but that is beyond the scope of this board, as I have alluded. That subject is no more welcome here than one's religion.

Just my two cents.

And that's my several dollars worth. I insist that this forum remain free of religion. It has nothing to do with refining. I do not appreciate being told that I must have certain beliefs in order to have an open dialogue with one that is likely very narrow of mind and badly misguided.

Thanks again for all your help and the help of others on this forum.

Welcome!

All it would take to have me no longer make my presence on this board is to have to tolerate anyone's religion. Lets leave this board for the purpose for which it was created----to discuss recovery and refining of precious metals.

Harold

 

[Oz]

I am not going to discuss where lines should be drawn but I am going to paraphrase something Harold had said in the past on this type of situation.

The 2 most polarizing subjects that tend to cause arguments and hard feelings in this world that even divides blood relatives into strangers to the point of being disowned, would be politics and religion.

It is for this reason, in the interest of keeping this forum a productive friendly place to learn about refining that they are purposely omitted. This is not the only forum that Harold contributes his considerable expertise in technical vocations and I have seen first hand other forums destroyed by these 2 topics when allowed. As I respect his hard won knowledge in refining, I also respect it in the moderation of forums.

I will also state that I am not perfect in this but have talked about some things that are related to precious metals pricing that are influenced by politics but try to keep it to a minimum or as a reply to others questions. I will gladly hold myself to moderation as it is dealt to me.

 

[Anonymous]

Harold

My Bad I didnt mean to offend you. I was merely making an expression. So I apologize to you or anyone that Ive offened.
Now Im starting to get offended on what you are labling me as Harold, so let me tell everyone a little more about myself.
I am an ex convict. I sure as hell dont go to Church. I dont like Mormons. I am a Biker and Ive NEVER
seen a Mormon Biker in my 36 years of life here in Utah.
And you have my word I will NEVER bring up the word Godfearing again.
I am hear to LEARN not to cause trouble or talk a bunch of crap out of the side of my neck!!!
So please except my apologies Harold.
I will have extra care in my words from here on out.

Sincerely Matt

Live and let Live I AM ONLY HERE TO LEARN AND SHARE

 

[markqf1]

Ok guys,
I didn't intend to spark a dispute or put anyone in a hot seat.
It was simply to point out the fact that there are alot of good people with integrity here, regardless of religion.

Matt,
You've come to the right place to learn as much as you would want to know about refining.
Look around for awhile and you will see what I mean.
Good luck.

JRH, welcome in!

Mark

 

[goldsilverpro]

Until about 6 months ago, treasurenet.com had a "Rubber Room" section on their forum that was available to anyone that registered. It included the categories, Religion and Politics. They were very popular, but there were so many insults and so much name-calling and fighting and ganging up on these topics, especially religion, that they are now only available to premium members, who have to pay. These things snowball emotionally and it's easy to get caught up in them. I am embarrassed to say that I was not entirely innocent. The site's main thing is metal detecting, but religion almost wrecked the entire forum.

Even all-Christian forums can get pretty nasty. I quit participating in the audio Christian forums on Paltalk for these same reasons. Someone estimated that there are 34,000 different schemes of Bible interpretation in the world and every one of these thinks they're right and many insult and belittle anyone that doesn't believe like they do.

Politics isn't quite as bad, but very dogmatic people can cause a lot of problems.

When I want to participate in Christian conversation or debate, I go to a Christian forum. The same with politics. I would, however, like to ultimately see non-political U.S. and World topics, as they relate to money, discussed on this forum. After all, gold is the only true money. I have considered discussing this with my fellow moderators, but the main problem is defining exactly what can or can't be discussed. It would have to be controlled or it could get out of hand. Maybe, some day.

Anyway, let's keep all religion and politics off of this forum, permanently. By politics, I mean Democrat/Republician/Whatever, discussion and debate.

 

[Harold_V]

Thanks, GSP. You captured the point of my post to the letter.

Matt, I fully understand your position-----just wanted to clear the air that we welcome everyone here, and religious affiliation makes no difference.

I know, from having conversations with some of the readers, that we have some very religious folks on this board. Each, thus far, has managed to leave their (insert title of religious book here) at the curb. That's as it should be.

As far as the topics of money and government, as they relate to the value of gold, I agree, they should be open to discussion, but when conversation turns to how one political party is altering the course of government (in one man's opinion), anyone that possesses the least bit of wisdom can see how readers can, and probably will, get polarized. As has already been stated, it takes very little of this kind of venom to ruin what would, otherwise, be a perfectly good and functional board. I don't think anyone wants to see that happen here.

I was associated with the precious metal refining industry in a small way for more than 20 years. I know, first hand, how the entire industry is a secretive bunch, in part because of the ease at which refining can be accomplished. Unlike learning to play a musical instrument, anyone can do it, so long as they have good instructions and the ability to read and follow them. The industry attitude appears to be that in order to protect what is so simple, keep people uninformed. When that fails, I'm sure they would encourage misinformation. Anything to keep others out of the loop.

My point is, here, on this forum, that is not the case. We need to keep this thing running on the right track, otherwise those with skill and knowledge will cease to contribute. That's one of the worst things that can happen to those who desire to learn the refining process----for methods that yield poor results quickly rise to the top.

I'd hate to see that happen here------

Harold

 

[Anonymous]

I HAVE NO RELIGIOUS AFFILLIATION
Harold
Please understand me I am NOT a religious person nor was I trying to say I was. And I sure as hell
WASNT trying sound like Im BETTER than anyone. This is all a waste of time responding to this
religon NONSENSE! And if your not gunu read my posts and get the whole meaning of it then THEN
why must you waste so much time? Is this not a refining forum? I didnt know we had to walk on
egg shells around here and act like little school girls!!
Well You probably will not hear from me again because I gotta study not squabble.
So again my apologies and peace out.

JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS IM NOT RELIGIOUS AND I DONT GO TO CHURCH.
Thanks Matt

 

[patnor1011]

I HAVE NO RELIGIOUS AFFILLIATION
Harold
Please understand me I am NOT a religious person nor was I trying to say I was. And I sure as hell
WASNT trying sound like Im BETTER than anyone. This is all a waste of time responding to this
religon NONSENSE! And if your not gunu read my posts and get the whole meaning of it then THEN
why must you waste so much time? Is this not a refining forum? I didnt know we had to walk on
egg shells around here and act like little school girls!!
Well You probably will not hear from me again because I gotta study not squabble.
So again my apologies and peace out.

JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS IM NOT RELIGIOUS AND I DONT GO TO CHURCH.
Thanks Matt

He is not responding to you only. His explanation of his view is for all of us who follow posts on this forum. Please do not think that he holds something against you personally. This is just to let all knows what is acceptable and what not and why it is like that.

 

[butcher]

War politic's and religion.
peace refining Gold,
lets get back to that yeller stuff now.

 

[Harold_V]

I HAVE NO RELIGIOUS AFFILLIATION
Harold
Please understand me I am NOT a religious person nor was I trying to say I was. And I sure as hell
WASNT trying sound like Im BETTER than anyone. This is all a waste of time responding to this
religon NONSENSE! And if your not gunu read my posts and get the whole meaning of it then THEN
why must you waste so much time? Is this not a refining forum? I didnt know we had to walk on
egg shells around here and act like little school girls!!
Well You probably will not hear from me again because I gotta study not squabble.
So again my apologies and peace out.

JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS IM NOT RELIGIOUS AND I DONT GO TO CHURCH.
Thanks Matt

Well, you would have gained a considerable amout of credence with me had you not sent me an email through the board, using a fictitious return address. I judge people by what they offer. Lying to the board certainly isn't putting you in a good position. Is there something you'd like me to know about the email address that I received, [email protected]? Is that your idea of dealing with others, demanding they be God fearing, while you present yourself fraudulently?

If I am wrong, and the two bounced emails I sent were in error, please notify me publicly, so I can offer you an apology, also publicly. If they are not wrong, and you have intentionallly lied about your identity, I see a very short membership on this forum in your future. If the email address you provided the board does not reflect your true identity, I will personally ban you.

Harold

 

[Anonymous]

Harold
Hey excuse me my email was deleted by my jelious girl friend my new
email is:[email protected] instead of [email protected] XXXXXXX!!!!!
What the hell is your prob!! I know your the kind of person thats hides behind your monitor and
acts like some ticking time bomb bad ZXXX. But I If you ever saw me in person you'd be all to nice to my face and if you wasnt.... well I'd get thrown in jail for beat'n your punk XXX XXXX OFF I DONT NEED THIS DRAMA!!!
I dont need this kind of disrespect and persecution Im Done!!! And go ahead and band me from this forum!!! :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted:

Harolds drama will soon wreck this forum I'd bet Money on it

Language not fitting for the forum has been replaced by XXX's, by Harold

 

[goldsilverpro]

You got your wish. You are banned.

 

[Frankk12]

I hope this guy goldsyndicate13 will be OK, he seems disturbed.

 

[metatp]

Harold,

My appologies. It appears your preception of this guy was correct, but in a different way. Maybe you were not over the top. It appears you may have seen something in his original post that I did not. Maybe we all need to be a little less sensitive to written words. This guy has some problems which I hope he seeks help for. It is a shame.

If you ever want to have a conversation about my previous post, we can take that offline.

Thanks again,
Tom

 

[patnor1011]

thank lord we have people like harold on forum. it keeps forum clean, nice and concentrated on topic. lunatics have their own places where they can moan, swear and do whatever they want to do.

we needs to be concentrated on main purpose for why this forum was created. there are people here like rolnicek who are studying quietly and showing us what they learned. whoever needs help and ask for it is going to get it. others who came here by mistake or think that they can do what they want will get it swiftly...

thanks harold again proof of old saying from my country that wisdom /or knowledge/ comes with silver /hair/...

 

[Harold_V]

Harold,

My appologies. It appears your preception of this guy was correct, but in a different way. Maybe you were not over the top.

Years of experience in dealing with people has been very revealing. Part of what I've learned is that a person that is truly religious doesn't wave a flag in your face-----he/she quietly goes about life, treating others with due respect and living up to the tenets of their chosen religion.

By sharp contrast, when they wave a flag, it is generally to create a false image, one whereby you are set up to be taken.

I find it strange that in this case, a person that is filled with so much venom posts his desire to have exchanges with God fearing people----which, to the criminal mind, tend to be targets.

Had this individual posted his comments with manners, he would have gone a long ways towards receiving an apology from me, but he proved my point by responding as if I'm someone he can abuse because I haven't bought his facade.

Thanks, GSP, for dealing with the matter in an appropriate way. If we can't have respect and cooperation from readers on this forum, it will be reduced, in short order, to a steady diet of posts similar to the one posted, above.

Thanks to all for you understanding. I'm doing my best to keep this forum a place that you can learn in peace, free from offensive language and insults.

Harold