eeTHr said:
For prospectors, this could be a very informative thread.
It is not all that unusual for poor or imcomplete communications to result in a lack of trust, to various degrees. When the lack of good communications is unintentional, problem can result even when both parties have honest intentions.
The need for good communications is multiplied when the subject has high value.
I have seen some people, when a prospective deal has been shown to be non viable, merely stop communicating to the other person, considering that since it won't work out, it is not worth their time. I think this is a mistake, because it results in misunderstanding as to why the communication suddenly stopped. This could be the case here, but it indicates a gross lack of respect. But it also could be unintentional, since there is a third party involved.
When very high potential value is involved, any sign of ill intent is greatly amplified, and when accusations result from this phenomenon, it usually escalates rapidly, as seen here.
I have dealt in fairly high value, specialized computer products in the past. I found that the best way to maintain smooth relationships is to provide exact answers to any and all questions, plus anything else relevant to the deal, including all documentation. The best method in any deal is to be totally willing to prove any statements or claims about the subject or product. Lack of this willingness can be quickly interpreted to be shady, and the mood of the whole thing can change very fast, and go totally sour---even when it shouldn't.
Since this thing involves two forum members, and their reputations with other forum members, I think it would be appropriate to sort it out, in the open, right here in this thread.
To not do so would risk the unnecessary loss of one or both of these possibly valuable forum members, for no real reason.
A successful sort-out of this situation could provide other forum members with information about working with others on high value projects, which could at some point in the future be very helpful.
Truth is truth, and I don't see how exposing the truth in this matter could end up being harmful.
I don't think it should be just swept under the carpet and forgotten, just because it may be uncomfortable to sort it out. We are all mature enough to be able to see the results, and I think we deserve to know the full truth.
(Harold posted above, while I was typing....)
And this, eeTHer, is EXACTLY how I've felt about this whole issue from the gate, however, certain individual interests have been directing group concerns, while another individual insecurity has been moving things in directions that ultimately make progressional moves nearly impossible.
In a world of mice and men, the man is always the one who ultimately provides the proof in the pudding, of what they're all about, by not allowing fear to derail his goals, allowing hard work to hone his character, and continuing to face forward with Family foremost in mind. Lol, I have to admit that during the heat of my argument with Joe, knowing all too well that it was fear of the unknown, and/ or the bottomless crevass he was peering into at his discovery of how tall the RGW empire and it's capital embattlements were that was causing him, as well as Richard, to lose interest in continuing to proceed with our plans (which the BLM geologist we talked with at length CLEARLY outlined a course of action that would have given our fledgling group of mining go-getters the goal we sought after without fail - IMHO) - that I called Joe back after hanging up on him and told him that there were in fact two types of men in this world, men, and mice, and that he'd at that point proven himself to me to be a mouse. While he got pissed even more at my statement, I proceeded to hang back up on him mid stream of his reply to it.
I have to laugh at it now - after the fact...
Two days later, while I actually was posting my second reply to Richard within this very thread, Joe called me back and informed me that they were going to proceed with our original plans for the location in question, only they were going to do so without me, but that they decided that a finders fee was in order for my initiation of thier renewed effort to develop this venture and that it was my response to his offer that would determine whether or not that finders fee would become forth coming.
As you can imagine, My anger levels at that point shot clear off the chart. After I initially shot my thousand volleys of disdain at Joe's announcement I ultimately saw them making an effort at least to pay me off... so I recanted my disdain and told Joe to put their promise in writing and I would rest easy...
As you can clearly see, putting something in writing is something they're too afraid to do. Oh well... The statement made about taking strangers into your house and exposing yourself and your interests to such is once again a golden rule proven true... bringing to mind that old addadge that teaches us (we hope) that a fool, and his money, are quickly parted.
It really sucks however, when you've been proven the fool, when all you wanted to do is believe another man's words and intent...
I'm not afraid of big money, when I have case law precedents that would support my first steps out onto a scary thought... the big branch tree limb where the big boys play, and all of whom turn their heads and look... at the new comer who, as the Metropolitan Police Officer who Joe and I encountered our first day out at location stated, "Has the BALLS to go out, and take for themselves a piece of the American Dream". (I will never forget that officer's statement, as he in fact, was actually CONGRATULATING us for doing what we were doing...)
Anywho, Like I said, I fully believe a misunderstanding has caused this whole issue, however, IMHO, it's way better for ignorance to play it's part in preventing something from coming together while if it did... that same ignorance in turn would have created something that devestated entire families along the way, once it's ugly head rose itself and became the deciding factor while said families were teetering at the pinnacle... after so much uphill effort was achieved successfully to get them where they were.
