eScrapper's Material Shopping Cheat Sheet

[Geo]

when browsing the internet (in my opinion) its an "at will" adventure. there is no security.unless there is a lock and the website has a secure connection can you assume any level of security. i never use my debit card to order things online, i get a prepaid card from walmart and use that for this reason. if you expect people to not follow you on the web, its better not to log on.is it ok to ask a co-worker what another workers name is? sure it is. is it ok to ask what their address is? kind of creepy, but not against the law. people will only know what you allow them to know and when you log on to the internet, its just like saying hello to the world.

 

[Palladium]

Well that was embarrassing. :mrgreen:

I make no excuses for what i do. What i do in the larger overall scope of things is for the betterment of the forum. Yes i track people. I track a whole lot of people. I do nothing more than most others, Google included, does. It has served me as well as has it the forum to have these kind of safeguards in place. Sorry if it bothers anyone but their is a lot more goes on here than everyone sees everyday that keeps this forum running smoothly and makes it such an honest place for everyone to come to. I'll crawl back in my whole now! :|

 

[ericrm]

I've have been watching my husband , screen name jrmycooke ,spend countless late nights in his shop breaking all those computers and things that I don't even know the names of and him always talking about this site to me and his friends. After all of the times that he said " come look at this Crys" and I would reply " that's nice, when will it turn green" I decided to see what this was all about. My husband set me up an account here and said he always checks this section out first to see what is new. This is my second or third time here and I probably won't come back because of this particular thread. If I wanted to see bad manners and foolish behavior then I would stick around my children's daycare when I pick my children up. If I'm not mistaken, when I first joined, there were several things that I had to read first. One specifically stands out in my mind and that was from one of the controllers of this site and basically said " if you don't have anything nice to say , don't say anything at all". If I needed to give someone a particular piece of information from this site and it lead to this section, I would be embarrassed.

i should and will apologize to you cryslarz because it is bad to found something like that when your hopping to see nice and professionnal thing. but to me this man his obviously trying to pull a fast one here ,by faking number (witch i have prooved to be actual with simple cpu exemple).but seeing that nobody seem to care had make me get pretty frustrated. i dont like poeple who cheat and take advantage of other.

 

[joem]

Cryslarz please don't leave. The little bit a rudeness is very out weighed by the amount of help and friendship that goes on here. Please let those attitudes be controlled by the mods and come back. You will be welcomed.

 

[Geo]

hey Palladium, theres nothing wrong with having a hobby like that. at least your up front about it. most sites have tracking cookies and counters to keep up with traffic and its not so obvious to see sometimes.personally, i dont hide my name or where i live. if any members want to swing by my way, you all are welcome (well maybe not all at once :lol: )we'll roast a pig or stalk and kill some vegetables whichever your into.

the animosity in this thread did get a little out of hand. in my opinion, when you post something on the open forum, whether its a process or yield data or any other information thats not copy write material, the person gives up any claim to the information and it becomes part of the public domain. if you experiment and want to keep your results for personal use, do not post it here and expect people not to copy it. Google has a free run of this forum, its not like the information is restricted to only forum members. it would be great to receive credit for work you have done and then contributed but to expect it may be a bit too much to ask for. if your work gets copied and you receive credit, great, you get a pat on the back. if it gets copied and you dont get credit, is it ok to cry foul if you didnt take the time to get it a copy write.

personally, i think victorz did a good job of putting all that together. he stated that any misinformation would be corrected as it was presented and as far as i could tell, i didnt see any copy write material.

 

[ericrm]

geo ,i think your missing two point the first one : http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=15119

the second one is not about copyright, it is about the fact that this guy give a yield list that is obviously fasle and untested. he lie...............but for what???????? after asking myself that question i have looked at how beatifull and how he did put a lot of work in his document,too much work...too much explaining phrase directly made for poeple that doesnt have a clue about pm........................
i have come to the conclusion that he is colecting information here from the great and nice poeple to get his list corected than sell.......................
but nobody seem to care or even see it..............

 

[goldsilverpro]

Give it up, Eric. You've made your point - several times.

 

[Geo]

i really understand your view on this eric, the guy in the Ebay listing is a crook no doubt about it. as far as this thread goes, its an assumption that the OP has intentions of selling this information. just because someone puts a lot of time and effort into a pdf like that and post it for free does not (in my opinion) show intent. i hope he is honest and it stays a nice piece of work, free to the public and revised as new or better information is presented. i just dont think an assumption shows intent and until we find it for sale or he removes the original file unexpectedly, we shouldnt jump to conclusions.

 

[silversaddle1]

Yield data has always been the "wild west", and always will be.

There will always be variations in yields, no matter what. And everyone on here of all places should know that.

With that being said, I think the PDF is well done, and a good primer for almost anybody in the business.

Yea, there may be a few mistakes in the file, so what? Think you can do better, step right up and swing away.

From what I gathered, this information was offered free of charge to anyone who wanted to look at it.

Good thing Harold didn't get here first, he'd of cleaned house.

 

[victorz]

Well that was embarrassing. :mrgreen:

I make no excuses for what i do. What i do in the larger overall scope of things is for the betterment of the forum. Yes i track people. I track a whole lot of people. I do nothing more than most others, Google included, does. It has served me as well as has it the forum to have these kind of safeguards in place. Sorry if it bothers anyone but their is a lot more goes on here than everyone sees everyday that keeps this forum running smoothly and makes it such an honest place for everyone to come to. I'll crawl back in my whole now! :|

Palladium, are you the webmaster? If you need good SSL, I have a few Comodo Instant SSL Pro certs I can donate to the forum. Those are good for another 1.5 years.

 

[ericrm]

Give it up, Eric. You've made your point - several times.

... ok

 

[Palladium]

Well that was embarrassing. :mrgreen:

I make no excuses for what i do. What i do in the larger overall scope of things is for the betterment of the forum. Yes i track people. I track a whole lot of people. I do nothing more than most others, Google included, does. It has served me as well as has it the forum to have these kind of safeguards in place. Sorry if it bothers anyone but their is a lot more goes on here than everyone sees everyday that keeps this forum running smoothly and makes it such an honest place for everyone to come to. I'll crawl back in my whole now! :|

Palladium, are you the webmaster? If you need good SSL, I have a few Comodo Instant SSL Pro certs I can donate to the forum. Those are good for another 1.5 years.

I like chess. My only problem is sometimes i like to wear the black hat instead of the white one :mrgreen:

Glad to see your still here and haven't been deterred.

 

[samuel-a]

I like chess. My only problem is sometimes i like to wear the black hat instead of the white one

Reminder to myself: not to upset Ralph :mrgreen:

 

[lazersteve]

Finally got a chance to review the attached guide. It's put together well, and looks generally accurate to my numbers in some cases and off in others.

There are a few areas my actual yields vary with the sheet, but like silversaddle said, it's a great starting point for the beginner. I would not stake my business's future on the numbers however as there are always variations in yields due to scrap cleanliness, harvesting techniques, refining skill, process used, purity of the final button, and pre-sales scamming of the seller (eg: repainting Pentium Pros with gold paint).

I'm curious if the numbers given in the sheet were based upon actual scrap/cpu lots processed by the author or on surface area calculations? I bet it was from surface area calculations in most cases and the general community concensus in others like the Pd and Ag content of SMDs.

Steve

 

[samuel-a]

I'm curious if the numbers given in the sheet were based upon actual scrap/cpu lots processed by the author or on surface area calculations? I bet it was from surface area calculations in most cases and the general community concensus in others like the Pd and Ag content of SMDs.

I think he mentioned it is based on numers he found here and elsewhere.
I recognize some of my data there. I can confirm the Alpha DEC yield and cermic crystals yield to be right (as to my experience).
As to the MLCC's, it is missing out on the silver (again, according to my experience). I have shared this before, for assorted MLCC's (with solder), Pd can go from 0-3.5% by mass... usually it is around 1-1.5%.
Silver content ranges from 6-10% by mass.

I ran seperatly, some MLCC's from slot cpu's boards only, they resulted: 1.2% Pt , 9% Ag and some Pd.



Since all the info came from the community, I hope it was composed for the community.
I also think that this document was well put together and is a good starting point for a begginer. But yields is an elusive subject and eventually, you must trust your own numbers and documentation.

 

[victorz]

i really understand your view on this eric, the guy in the Ebay listing is a crook no doubt about it. as far as this thread goes, its an assumption that the OP has intentions of selling this information. just because someone puts a lot of time and effort into a pdf like that and post it for free does not (in my opinion) show intent. i hope he is honest and it stays a nice piece of work, free to the public and revised as new or better information is presented. i just dont think an assumption shows intent and until we find it for sale or he removes the original file unexpectedly, we shouldnt jump to conclusions.

Only God sees my intents are not for any financial gain or something else. If so many people are upset about what I am giving out for free, taking time to gather the info and present it in very friendly, readable for, at the same time being open to correction, to perform (make it better) the document.... still giving it for free... not charging for it... since I have enough of money to live for... you guys put my face into the mud... especially Eric... I really feel abused and unwelcome here. Should I remove the document and just put an END on this? I do not understand the level of unfriendliness and absurd judgement from some people here. I am not an enimy, neither the one who wants to make someone believe that some facts (even if these are unconfirmed) are true... I wanted to share what I use and put a lot of time into it, to help others.... you guys judge me for nothing bad I made... damn it... I am going to delete the files from the upload... if no truthful help or judgement comes to help perfect the info in the document... it turns to be a piece of trash none needs.

Really sorry that my good and honest intent was accepted by some people as if I am trying to fool or cheat someone... into what? I am not selling anything to anyone!!!

Really frustrated... I thought it is a friendly community of guys who want to help each other... Sorry...

 

[Palladium]

i really understand your view on this eric, the guy in the Ebay listing is a crook no doubt about it. as far as this thread goes, its an assumption that the OP has intentions of selling this information. just because someone puts a lot of time and effort into a pdf like that and post it for free does not (in my opinion) show intent. i hope he is honest and it stays a nice piece of work, free to the public and revised as new or better information is presented. i just dont think an assumption shows intent and until we find it for sale or he removes the original file unexpectedly, we shouldnt jump to conclusions.

Only God sees my intents are not for any financial gain or something else. If so many people are upset about what I am giving out for free, taking time to gather the info and present it in very friendly, readable for, at the same time being open to correction, to perform (make it better) the document.... still giving it for free... not charging for it... since I have enough of money to live for... you guys put my face into the mud... especially Eric... I really feel abused and unwelcome here. Should I remove the document and just put an END on this? I do not understand the level of unfriendliness and absurd judgement from some people here. I am not an enimy, neither the one who wants to make someone believe that some facts (even if these are unconfirmed) are true... I wanted to share what I use and put a lot of time into it, to help others.... you guys judge me for nothing bad I made... damn it... I am going to delete the files from the upload... if no truthful help or judgement comes to help perfect the info in the document... it turns to be a piece of trash none needs.

Really sorry that my good and honest intent was accepted by some people as if I am trying to fool or cheat someone... into what? I am not selling anything to anyone!!!

Really frustrated... I thought it is a friendly community of guys who want to help each other... Sorry...

Your ok Victor. Hang around for a little bit. You just happened to show up in the middle of an ebay scam that was unfolding. If you heard a burglar was in your neighborhood wouldn't you guard your house as well. Keep up the good work. If your intentions are true it will show.

 

[jimdoc]

Wow thanks guys!

The Ebay guy messing with Patnor deserves to get hassled.
I don't think Victorz did. He said he was willing to fix any problems with
the documents. What else could you ask for. He posted here to share with us.
And look how he was treated. Again, thanks guys, or should I say guy.

Jim

 

[victorz]

Your ok Victor. Hang around for a little bit. You just happened to show up in the middle of an ebay scam that was unfolding. If you heard a burglar was in your neighborhood wouldn't you guard your house as well. Keep up the good work. If your intentions are true it will show.

Palladium,
have you ever noticed I confronted the eBay scam thing in my document? Why would someone accept me as the one from eBay? I see ridiculous prices that eScrap sells on ebay... that is outrageous, being over the 24K price of gold for the lots of eScrap... I confront it there... and my document is the first one that claims the Pentium Pro has up to 0.5g of Au... and I am being accused by someone because I claimed an old brown AMD be a bit bigger yielding that same Intel green fibre CPU (and it is)? Absurd Eric's comments... this guy takes me as the one that is an awkward one though I am not...

If I brought some unhealthy rumor into the forum... forgive me guys. I did not intend it.

Will hang around here for awhile... but all depends on the amount of peer attitude here.

PS. Thank you to everyone that showed a word of support to a newby on this forum.

 

[Palladium]

Your welcome here Victor just as much as the next man is. If we were crucifying people for compiling information then i guess i would be at the top of that list. I was making ebooks and pdf's for the forum many moons before it even became popular.